Armada gets Tomahawks

Tasman

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I just saw this while surfing the net before. Does anyone have an english translation?
Thanks
I suggest you download the Google free translation service. It might result in some 'funny' grammar but you will be able to follow it.

Here is a translation of the main section (I haven't attempted to fix the grammar):

The Armada initiates this summer the purchase of its 24 first missiles Tomahawk for 72 million

Spain will not be able to use in the medium term its more powerful weapon without the seen good of the United States

MIGUEL GONZÁLEZ - Madrid - 14/05/2007


Spain will give this summer the final step to be become the third country (after United States and United Kingdom) that counts on the missile Tomahawk ,maximum exponent of the power American military in wars as those of the Gulf, Kosovo, Afghanistan or Iraq. The program of acquisition of the first 24 missiles, with a price of 72 million euro -that includes its integration in the frigates F-100 and the underwater S-80-, will be initiated as soon as the US Navy remit the Letter of Offering and Acceptance (DIGGER ),that reflects the conditions negotiated with the business manufacturer, the American one Raytheon.


The acquisition of the Tomahawk will suppose a qualitative leap for the Spanish Armada. For the first time, will have a capable missile to reach an objective situated 1.600 kilometers of distance with a margin of error of ten meters. And it will be able to do it without need to risk to its pilots (as occurs with the missiles launched by airplanes), since the security of a ship or a submarine situated far from the reach of an eventual retaliation.

The weapon that will permit to cause is the Tick-Tom (Tomahawk Tactical or Block IV), a missile subsónico of attack to land and smaller reach that its strategic, but gifted ancestors of sensitive improvements, that permit to reschedule it in flight or to elect among 15 white alternative.

Once the Department of Defense respond with an OK to the DIGGER of the US Navy , the program will be set in motion, with a first disbursement of four million euro for this year and a total price of 72 million, along eight exercises.

With this money not only the payment is covered of the 24 first missiles (each one slope some 500.000 euro), but also, and above all, the formation and training of the crews and the adaptation of the platforms.

Operating in 2012
It is predicted that between the years 2008 and 2012, taking advantage of the stop planned to install the missiles antiaircraft Evolved Be Sparrow, adapt the four frigates F-100. It is a matter of a relatively simple arrangement, according to the sources consulted, therefore these ships already have vertical launchers.

The frigate F-105, still in project, and the F-106, slope of approval, the ready shipyards for the Tomahawk will leave. More complex the installation of the missile in the future four underwater results S-80, that will be undertaken in a second phase, taking advantage of its pipes torpedo tube.

The contacts between the greater states of the Spanish Armada and the US Navy for the transfer of the Tomahawk they were initiated in April of the 2002. The sale was approved by the American Navy, but not by the Pentagon, that finally gave green light in June of 2005 by means of a letter of the secretary of state of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, to its then Spanish counterpart, José Bond, with whom was interviewed in Washington a month before.

During this time, after numerous exchanges of visits, the Armada the feasibility study has culminated to install the Tomahawk in the F-100 and the S-80. Along the way other European alternatives have been ruled out, like the Scalp, naval version of the Storm Shadow of MBDA, that still is in phase of development.

The purchase will be done by means of the system FMS, so that the US Navy act of intermediary between the Spanish Armada and Raytheon. Al first order of 24 missiles they will continue new departures, since the needs are reckoned in some 12 missiles by frigate.

Respect al S-80, the Spanish shipyard Navantia and the American firm Lookheed Martin, manufacturer of the system of battle, already they are negotiating an agreement of technical aid to integrate the missile in the submarine.

With all, it more difficult is not to have the Tomahawk, but to be capable of using it autonomously; that is to say, not to depend on the United States for each employment. Without this autonomy, the dissuasive effect would be seen seriously diminished, therefore the eventual enemy be able to be directed directly to the United States without need to understand with Spain.

Military sources recognize that, in a first phase, the capacity of the Spanish Armada will not go a lot beyond "to press the button", while the selection of white will be in the hands of the United States. The use of the Tomahawk will be limited to the occasions in which the Spanish Armed Forces operate in coalition with the United States.

In the medium term, nevertheless, they maintain the same sources, yes would be able to be reached certain autonomy, so that was possible to use the missile without external support, although be to lost in precision.

All the systems of weapons of the latest generation are subject to technical restrictions of the manufacturer, but in the Tomahawk these do unworkable their employment. The missile, that is directed to its objective flying to low height, requires the support of a communications satellites network and observation (beginning for the GPS) of the one that Spain lacks.

Its operation is based on a system that compares the profile of the land and the images grasped by its camera of TV with the data stored in its memory. If Spain wants to include a listing of white, al margin of them facilitated by the United States, should study and to bring up to date its own routes of approximation.

That will be the assignment of the Center of National Planning of the Tomahawk that the Armada wants to set in motion in the medium term. Only then it will be able to say, in property, that Spain has a cruise missile.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espa...2/millones/elpepuesp/20070514elpepinac_25/Tes

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Rapture

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Hey thanks Tasman. That translator did a pretty good job.

I wonder if this new capability will effect the RAN AWD plans.
 

Tasman

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Hey thanks Tasman. That translator did a pretty good job.

I wonder if this new capability will effect the RAN AWD plans.
Much as I would like to see a TLAM operated by the AWDs this option is not currently on the table for political reasons. There is a fear that it might upset Australia's neighbours and start a cruise missile arms race in the region! Having said that I am sure that, for contingency purposes, the RAN will take note of the fact that the capability to operate Tomahawk from the F100 is to be developed by the Armada. ;)

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StingrayOZ

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I would imagine both the F-100 and the G&C would be Tomahawk capable.

I would add to that, if I was designing a submarine it would also be capable of firing them.

Most conflicts would be forseable enough to be able to purchase Tomahawks when the political climate is right.
 

contedicavour

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While I am obviously very envious as an Italian ;) since Spain will now have Tomahawk while we aren't even sure yet that we'll have SCALP ...
I'm just wondering whether a Zapatero government would ever agree to launch a cruise missile ?
Without a determined government brave (or crazy) enough to intervene overseas against brutal regimes, cruise missiles will just sit in warehouses.
Spain may have occasional fishing spats with neighbors but I don't see them launching a Tomahawk into Rabat :shudder. Spain has left Iraq and its role in Afghanistan is of peace-enforcing against guerrillas that you can't eliminate with Tomahawks...
One last thing : are these missiles dual-key requiring US agreement before targeting ??

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Rich

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I dont think they bought them as an operational silver bullet, more instead as a statement that they are a 1st world military power that has to be reckoned with. I mean how many platforms will they have at sea at any one time armed with Tact-Toms?

Conversely its a statement by Uncle Sam that we are serious concerning our relations with Spain and that we both need and want them in the GWOT. Weapons sales have become a very important tool of diplomacy since 9/11. They actually always have been but in the last 6 years even more so.

For Spain this is an important purchase. The TLACM has such a high INTL profile that the Armada will get a lot of prestige by deploying it. Thats what this is. Its a prestige purchase and a Diplomacy sale.

I think all the Aussies would have to do is ask for the missile and they would get it too. Oh, and also write a check.;)
 

astrolopitec

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It's just an extra deterrent to a Falkland scenario.
If our southern neighbors were a well established, full democracy. I'm afraid that Spain's army would be the size of Luxemburg's.

As for the Aussies. It's there just for the asking. No local allies will complain. On the contrary !
 
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It's just an extra deterrent to a Falkland scenario.
If our southern neighbors were a well established, full democracy. I'm afraid that Spain's army would be the size of Luxemburg's.

As for the Aussies. It's there just for the asking. No local allies will complain. On the contrary !
I rather disagree with that. I think our regional allies would go beserk if we acquired Tomahawk for RAN. They'd accuse us of warmongering and attempting to start an "arms race". Of course THEIR acquisition of SU-30 etc, is not doing the same thing...

Malaysia and Indonesia nearly threw a fit when we announced we were acquiring JASSM, despite the acquisition being on the cards for nearly 10 years (it was first selected for RAAF in 1999)...

RAN AWD's and subs armed with Tomahawk would not go down well at all...
 

astrolopitec

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Hehe...
By allies I meant NZ , Japan and S Corea.
As for Malasia and Indonesia...
Considering the amount of humanitarian aid that you've sent that way. And that those cuntries are strugling to follow a democratic path. I would have thought that they would not offer much opposition. Still... You are surely more familiar with the current climat.
 
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Hehe...
By allies I meant NZ , Japan and S Corea.
As for Malasia and Indonesia...
Considering the amount of humanitarian aid that you've sent that way. And that those countries are strugling to follow a democratic path. I would have thought that they would not offer much opposition. Still... You are surely more familiar with the current climat.
Malaysia are allied with us under the Five Power Defence Agreement. Indonesia we are close to as well, but they still "kick and scream" every time we buy a new widget for our Armed Forces.

Makes one wonder quite why we bother gifting them patrol boats, spare parts for their grounded Hercules fleet, Nomad aircraft etc...
 

Totoro

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Hmm, in the article they say spain is third country to use tomahawks... but aren't the dutch also using some? I seem to remember they bought a couple of dozen a few years ago.
 

Noline

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Hmm, in the article they say spain is third country to use tomahawks... but aren't the dutch also using some? I seem to remember they bought a couple of dozen a few years ago.
Our new goverment seems to cancel the order so Spain would indeed be the 3rd country to deploy tomahawks

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harryriedl

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Our new goverment seems to cancel the order so Spain would indeed be the 3rd country to deploy tomahawks

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NoLine
thats a disappointing it would have been excellent for the LCF as a could be station near sait marttens if chaves dose any saber ratterling
 

renjer

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While I am obviously very envious as an Italian ;) since Spain will now have Tomahawk while we aren't even sure yet that we'll have SCALP ...
I'm curious. Is this because no requirement has been identified by the military or because of domestic political opposition? Thanks.
 

renjer

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I rather disagree with that. I think our regional allies would go beserk if we acquired Tomahawk for RAN. They'd accuse us of warmongering and attempting to start an "arms race". Of course THEIR acquisition of SU-30 etc, is not doing the same thing...

Malaysia and Indonesia nearly threw a fit when we announced we were acquiring JASSM, despite the acquisition being on the cards for nearly 10 years (it was first selected for RAAF in 1999)...

RAN AWD's and subs armed with Tomahawk would not go down well at all...
Just my personal opinion but the more the merrier.

Indonesia was reported to be interested in acquiring the Kilo / Klub combination.

As for Malaysia, I rather like to see us acquiring the SCALP for our Scorpenes. Although there are no plans for this.
 

contedicavour

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I'm curious. Is this because no requirement has been identified by the military or because of domestic political opposition? Thanks.
Actually the military haven't specified the details of their land attack requirements, beyond the 127/64 guided ammunition Vulcano system. With the current government our admirals fear that coming to Parliament with a request for SCALP would be counterproductive. Pacifist and hard left elements within the government would shoot down the proposal or make sure it gets very low funding priority. More helpful elements within the government are actually waiting to have firm orders for all 10 FREMM frigates before requesting "offensive" weaponry for the ships.
I'd bet a decision will be taken at the very last moment when the first FREMM under construction will have to embark Sylver A70 launcher (for SCALP) or AAW only A43 and A50 modules.
Let's cross fingers. We really need those cruise missiles if we want to be credible without US help.

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contedicavour

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Our new goverment seems to cancel the order so Spain would indeed be the 3rd country to deploy tomahawks

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NoLine
The Dutch Navy is going ahead though with SM-2 IV or even SM-3 ATBM isn't it ? That could be even more useful than TLAM. Ensuring adequate defence capabilities comes before offensive weapons for a mid-sized Navy.

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Eggy

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The Dutch Navy is going ahead though with SM-2 IV or even SM-3 ATBM isn't it ? That could be even more useful than TLAM. Ensuring adequate defence capabilities comes before offensive weapons for a mid-sized Navy.

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There are definately plans to enhance the TBMD capability. Last year one of the Dutch LCFs took part in a TBMD exercise with the US Navy in the pacific. The SMART-L radar with new software (Smart-L Extended Long Range) was tested for this purpose.

http://www.thales-nederland.nl/nl/news/archive/2006/December-08-2006.shtml

Still it's a shame to see the tactom order being cancelled, the Dutch Navy has no carriers with aircraft so a means to strike targets on land with the LCF would have been welcome imo.

Edit:
just read that the Dutch tactom order is not cancelled but postponed, comes down to the same thing I guess but a cancellation of the order would require approval by parliament and postponing does not.
 
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