Mig-31 and Mig-35 as air defense fighter

[eaf-f16]

i know the mig31 is probably one of the best fighters with sole purpose of air-defense but it can only pull 5g's (the only time it pulled 9g's the airframe warped) but it also flies higher and faster than any other fighter in service and was made for the sole purpose of intercepting aircraft and as an SR-71 killer.it also has very high resistance against ECM. the Mig-35 on the other hand can still fly high enough to intercept most targets (63,000 ft) and flies as fast as most fighter but the main advantage over the Mig-31 is maneuverability it can pull 9.5g's and has 3d or all-aspect thrust vector control.in your opinion which would you rather have?
personally i would pick the mig-31.

 

[Chrom]

I go for the MIG 35 Simply .

It is like comparing Abrams with Stryker... i just dont see any point.

 

[Waylander]

Hah, ask some Stryker MGS crews... nfloorl:

 

[eaf-f16]

It is like comparing Abrams with Stryker... i just dont see any point.

which one would rather have both are very good when it comes to air-air combat ,they were both made almost exclusively for that purpose, but when your country is coming under attack from US fighter like the F-15 and F/A-18 Super Hornets which one do you think is better to go with?

i choose to put the Mig-31 because of its powerful radar and that it is made for the purpose of air defense.

 

[meh]

which one would rather have both are very good when it comes to air-air combat ,they were both made almost exclusively for that purpose, but when your country is coming under attack from US fighter like the F-15 and F/A-18 Super Hornets which one do you think is better to go with?

i choose to put the Mig-31 because of its powerful radar and that it is made for the purpose of air defense.

To me it will depend. Which aircraft has the First Sight, First Shot, First Kill ability and also which can out maneuver both the f-18 and f-15?

 

[eaf-f16]

To me it will depend. Which aircraft has the First Sight, First Shot, First Kill ability and also which can out maneuver both the f-18 and f-15?

first sight first kill first shot is definitley the Mig-31 as for out maneuvering the F-15 and F-18 thats a piece of cake for the Mig-35 even if they had F-22's.

 

[alexsa]

first sight first kill first shot is definitley the Mig-31 as for out maneuvering the F-15 and F-18 thats a piece of cake for the Mig-35 even if they had F-22's.

Out of curiosity how is you think the Mig 31 is so agile that it can out maneuvering the F-15, F18 and even the F-22? It does not seem to have nay particualry advance aerodaynmic features and is effectivley a very lage high powered interceptor, which by you own post has G limitations.

 

[butch4343]

My choice

Ok there are several key questions to be asked,

First who is my enemy? Will I have to engage highly manouverable fighters like F18s/ F16s ect operating close to my home base or will I have to engage swarms of low flying cruise missiles and penetrating strike aircraft possibly a thousand miles plus from my airfields.

Second what can I afford to buy?

Third what is the foreign policy of my country? If I expect to operate from home bases with good support infrastructure then the Foxhound would be a better bet , if on the other hand I am expecting to be an expeditionary force then a aircraft capable of operating from austere forward airfields and at the end of long supply chains then the Mig-35 would be better.

Although performance is important, the questions above are only some of the others that are asked when air staffs draft requirements for new aircraft.
For my money I would hedge my bet with a Hi-Lo Mix of both.

Incidentally the origional Mig-25 Foxbat was designed to intercept the SR-71 and the cancelled XB-70 valkerye, however the Mig 21 Foxhound was designed to counter some of the short commings of the Mig 25 and expand the capabilties of the PVO-strany(Soviet Air Defence Command) to defend the vast northen tacts of the then USSR. The foxhound had more fuel efficent engines fitted to improve endurance, more capable radar to allow the tracking of low level targets, the addition of datalinks to integrate the foxhound into to soviet air defence network and new long range active radar homming missiles.

 

[eaf-f16]

Out of curiosity how is you think the Mig 31 is so agile that it can out maneuvering the F-15, F18 and even the F-22? It does not seem to have nay particualry advance aerodaynmic features and is effectivley a very lage high powered interceptor, which by you own post has G limitations.

yes i said first sight first shot first kill is the MIG-31. then i said out maneuvering f-15's f-18 and f-22's is a piece of cake FOR THE MIG-35(all aspect thrust vectoring and 90 degree AOA as opposed to "the super maneuverable" f-22's 75 degree AOA)

 

[alexsa]

Out of curiosity how is you think the Mig 31 is so agile that it can out maneuvering the F-15, F18 and even the F-22? It does not seem to have nay particualry advance aerodaynmic features and is effectivley a very lage high powered interceptor, which by you own post has G limitations.

Sorry I have to correct myself. It was the Mig-35 that you claim would out maneuver the F-15, F18 and even the F-22. I am quite sceptical about this. Depending on what you are calling the Mig-35 is another issues. The project 1.44 has been refered to as the Mig-35 and this is claimed to have agility to match the F-22. It is however a concept aircraft not in service.

The developement version of the Mig-29 is also called the Mig-35 and I doubt it wouel stand up to the claim that it could out maneuver the F-15, F18 and even the F-22.

 

[alexsa]

yes i said first sight first shot first kill is the MIG-31. then i said out maneuvering f-15's f-18 and f-22's is a piece of cake FOR THE MIG-35(all aspect thrust vectoring and 90 degree AOA as opposed to "the super maneuverable" f-22's 75 degree AOA)

First shot on an F-22.... your kidding. Hell the the Mig31 has the RCS and heat signature of a large factory.

 

[eaf-f16]

First shot on an F-22.... your kidding. Hell the the Mig31 has the RCS and heat signature of a large factory.

lool,thats true,but I'm not talking about the f-22 fighting the Mig-31 or Mig-35 I only mentioned it to say the Mig-35 can out outmaneuver the f-22 to make a point there is no way in hell the f-15 and f-18 are outmaneuvering the Mig-35 but the Mig's aren't going against f-22's.

 

[eaf-f16]

Sorry I have to correct myself. It was the Mig-35 that you claim would out maneuver the F-15, F18 and even the F-22. I am quite sceptical about this. Depending on what you are calling the Mig-35 is another issues. The project 1.44 has been refered to as the Mig-35 and this is claimed to have agility to match the F-22. It is however a concept aircraft not in service.

The development version of the Mig-29 is also called the Mig-35 and I doubt it wouel stand up to the claim that it could out maneuver the F-15, F18 and even the F-22.

yes it can, its been called the most maneuverable plane in the world and the f-15c couldn't outmaneuver early variants of the Mig-29 let alone outmaneuver the Mig-35 I'm pretty sure that there is not a single American plane flying in the air right now(not experimental) that can achieve a 90 degree angle of attack or the same level of maneuverability as the Su-35's and the Mig-35 (Mig-29 variant i mean).

 

[eaf-f16]

and again I'm not talking about the f-22 agianst the mig's i only mentioned it to make a point.
and believe me the f-22's not out maneuvering a Mig-35.

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[hybrid]

yes it can, its been called the most maneuverable plane in the world and the f-15c couldn't outmaneuver early variants of the Mig-29 let alone outmaneuver the Mig-35 I'm pretty sure that there is not a single American plane flying in the air right now(not experimental) that can achieve a 90 degree angle of attack or the same level of maneuverability as the Su-35's and the Mig-35 (Mig-29 variant i mean).

Wait you're saying the Mig-35 aka the Mig 1.44 pre-production prototype which isn't even going to be built, with TWO confirmed test flights to its name, is equivalent in kinematics or superior to a F-22 for which there aren't even published detail facts about what its capable of doing?

 

[eaf-f16]

Wait you're saying the Mig-35 aka the Mig 1.44 pre-production prototype which isn't even going to be built, with TWO confirmed test flights to its name, is equivalent in kinematics or superior to a F-22 for which there aren't even published detail facts about what its capable of doing?

if u read above i said the mig-29 variant i clearly stated this above. and the pilots of the f-22 said it can only sustain 75 degrees of AOA which to them seems super maneuverable because the only thing they've been in thats more maneuverable can barley achieve 65 degrees (yes I'm talking about the f-15c).
Im talking about the Mig-35 (MIG29 VARIANT).

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