Weapon donations to Afghanistan by country

[drg]

Yeah contedicavour, you're right about the uselessness of some of the crap that's being shipped to Afghanistan. It bugs me that a bunch of countries with the equipment that they have, decide to ship relics and antiques, and then expect the Afghans to put on a smile, give thumbs up and pretend that they're impressed. They've had proper assault rifles and small arms in their country for how long, now? And somebody sends them a planeload of P-1 pistols. Can you imagine what the ANA brass is thinking? I reckon they should 'diplomatically' (and loudly) complain, and in return I hope somebody will listen to them and rectify the situation so that the ANA won't have to waste more money down the track replacing the antiques they've been kindly 'gifted' by EU Inc (and others).

 

[Waylander]

Yeah, because of the P1s the whole war is lost...
We all know that a proper Pistol is an important war winning asset for an army.
As well has not having AKs but M16s or G3s.


What is a problem is not the equipment but the payment of the ANA and police.
They could maybe get some Leo 1s but do you think they could maintain for example the FCS, TIs of a large number of relatively modern MBTs?

Heavy helso would me nice, but it has already been stated that NATO and partners already struggle to get enough helos for themselves into the area how could someone give the Afgnans one.

The most important thing were most countries don't do enough or just partly failed is training. Be it police or ANA.

 

[kato]

Heavy helso would me nice, but it has already been stated that NATO and partners already struggle to get enough helos for themselves into the area how could someone give the Afgnans one.

Well, supposedly the ANA has something like a dozen transport helos (Mi-8/Mi-17), with a dozen more in the process of err... getting there.

I doubt NATO helicopter forces in AFG roughly exceed 30-35 (transport) helos btw.

 

[Waylander]

I thought we were talking about donating equipment from NATO countries (Like CH-53s or CH-47s) to them and not about the Mis.
And these are in short supply.

 

[kato]

Well, quite a number of those Mi came from the Czechs apparently (NATO member).

 

[Waylander]

Naaah, ok, western NATO countries without the luxury to be able to donate some of their helicopters.

 

[kato]

It's not just a luxury issue really. Problem is that the entire CH '46/'47/'53 fleet in NATO countries is from the 70s and 80s and would fall apart if the operator doesn't spend 60-70% of the time on maintenance. SH-3, Super Frelon and such even worse.

European "Western" NATO members, heavy-lift helos (not the medium-lift stuff such as Super Pumas):

• Netherlands: 6x CH-47D (ex-Canadian CH-47C), service since: 1974
• Germany: 80x CH-53G, service since: 1971
• France: 9x SA-321G, service since: 1966
• United Kingdom: 34x HC.2 (upgraded CH-47C/HC.1), service since: 1980
• Greece: 16x CH-47DG (originally CH-47C for Iran), service since: 1983
• Spain: 18x HT.17 (CH-47C), service since: ?
• Italy: 36x CH-47C, service since: 1970

The other nations do not have a CH-47/53 class helo in their inventories at all, but mostly have EH.101, Puma/Cougar, SH-3 or other "medium" helos.

hehe, that took some searching

 

[Gladius]

A minor correction Kato.

· Spain: 18x HT.17 (CH-47C), service since: ?

Spain.

Only 17 HT.17 Chinnook remain in service now, from the original 19 bought through the years (the ET-401 & ET-413 were lost in 1973 & 1994 respectively).

The first six CH-47C were received in 1973. The entire fleet was modernized to "Delta" between 1990 and 2002. At this moment they are receiving new T55-GA-714A turbines.

Three are deployed in Herat (Afghanistan).

 

[Waylander]

With "not having the luxury" I actually meant exactly this.

The european countries which have heavy ligt helicopters struggle to keep them operational and are not able to support their oversea deployments with the needed numbers.

So it is defenitely not possible to donate some of these rare assets to Afghanistan.

 

[eckherl]

Well, quite a number of those Mi came from the Czechs apparently (NATO member).

Didn`t the Czechs just donate 3 additional MI 17s with in the last few weeks.

 

[Yasin20]

canada can always give there c2 leopard tanks while they do have the leopard 2a6 tank

 

[eckherl]

canada can always give there c2 leopard tanks while they do have the leopard 2a6 tank

They could not simply afford the logistical support of these tanks, especially when it comes to replacing FCS components and hull assemblies. Also I would think that there would be a issue inregards to the armor upgrade on this tank that Germany would be picky on who would get them. The best solution would be to keep giving them former Eastern European weapons platforms due to the amount of support that they could rely on from their neighbors. Also a bad idea because of the cost factor, please keep in mind also that this poor country has faced nothing but war and devastation for the last 30 years.

 

[Yasin20]

at least it is going the way it is going way more better in iraq thats my opinion on afghanistan it is doing way more better then iraq the way it is going