Weapon donations to Afghanistan by country

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drg

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Here:
http://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL30588.pdf
For all the lazybones (and in the interest of expediency)this report from the CRS reveals the following:
Egypt (17,000 small arms), Turkey (24 155mm howitzers and their ammo), Bulgaria (50 mortars), Czech Republic (12 choppers, and 20,000 MGs), Estonia (4,000 MGs), Greece (300 MGs), Latvia (337 RPGs, 8 mortars and 13,000 small arms), Lithuania (ammunition), Montenegro (1,600 MGs), Poland (110 APCs, ammunition), Croatia (1,000 MGs and ammo). As well Hungary provided 20,500 AMD-65s and US is "supplying Humvees and "600 other armoured vehicles" to Afghanistan (M113s?).
I should note also that i just read an online article of a US paper, and it claimed that Afghanistan was getting 75 APCs from the US under EDA policy.
Oh and Russia has donated "4 choppers and other equipment".
 
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Manfred2

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nice list, thanks fo rposting that.

Seems like they must be swimming in automatic weapons by now... but no ground-attack aircraft?
 
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kato

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Aircraft donations so far:

UAE - 10 Mi-17 (five operational?)
Czech Republic - two Mi-35, ten Mi-17 (but only 3 out of those 12 delivered yet)
Russia - 4 Mi-24 (?)
USA - 2 Mi-17 (VIP version)

Afghanistan supposedly operates 3 L-39C, not sure if those weren't stocked somewhere though, and not donated.
 
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kato

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Oh, so that's where they sent the 60-year-old crap to.

Anyway:

Canada sent some C7 rifles (about 2500).
Slovakia donated "22,000 light and heavy machine guns and 28,000 rounds of ammunition".
 
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Manfred2

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The Afgans might get a better return on thier money by selling those P-38s on the open market in the US, and buying 15,000 new pistols + ammo from the Chechs.

So.... Afganistan is getting Mi-24s from Russia?
How's that for a world turned upside down!:p:

They could use something like the Argentin Pucara; a high-loiter time dedicated ground attack platform.
A-10s have been threatend with retirement many times, I think three squadrons of those beasts would be a weclome addition to that Airforce, once it gets organized enough to be worthy of the name.
 
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kato

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Manfred2 said:
They could use something like the Argentin Pucara; a high-loiter time dedicated ground attack platform.
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Iirc they're currently mulling buying either AT-6 Texans, or T-37 Dragonflys. As fighter/trainers, either way.
 
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nero

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what afghanistan really needs is some attack helicopter gunships

but who is going to provide them that ???

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nero

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suddendeath said:
germany 10,000 pistols and montenegrin is sending multiple items.
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/jan2006/a012606ms1.html
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2007/08/23/feature-02
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The Walther P1 is a competent self-defense weapon. Its relatively tame performance in terms of chambering and magazine capacity for the size and weight are offset by the low recoil and great reliability. Unfortunately, the inability to use anything other than ball ammunition is a serious drawback.

Due to the heel release and single-stack construction, reloading is relatively slow. In an emergency, the magazine can be unlocked by pressing the release latch against any convenient hard surface, but in ordinary use, both hands are required for a reload. In military, that is acceptable, as heel release is slightly less susceptible to accidental dropping of a loaded magazine. For civilian self-defense use, this may be a slight disadvantage.

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Waylander

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Muhahahahaha, the old P1s are eveything but defenitely not reliable nor accurate. :eek:nfloorl:

In the end we founda way to get rid of this crap without having to pay for it... :D
 
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kato

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nero said:
Unfortunately, the inability to use anything other than ball ammunition is a serious drawback.
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Not for the military. Since they shouldn't use anything but ball anyway.

nero said:
Due to the heel release and single-stack construction, reloading is relatively slow.
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You don't reload that thing anyway. Eight Shots and One Throw.

Waylander said:
Muhahahahaha, the old P1s are eveything but defenitely not reliable nor accurate. :eek:nfloorl:
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During my SWA, i got a vintage '43 P1 for P-S-2. First shot went wide, second shot didn't extract properly and managed to get stuck keeping the slide open, with the next round loaded (... *insert range safety panicking*)... third shot was right on target.
 
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kato

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Manfred2 said:
T-6 Texans?
You can't be serious...
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yes... copied that wrongly from somewhere in the depths of my computer.

Beechcraft T-6A Texan II instead. Would be more in line with a potential T-37 buy too.
 
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drg

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No not T-6s
Afghanistan has been reported to be looking for 26 or 27 T-37s from Pakistan and Ukraine.
 
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contedicavour

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I'm not sure providing Afghanistan with so many different and old machine guns and rifles makes much sense... buying a bulk of AKs from Russia or China in one big order might end up being cheaper in the long run.
The helo fleet looks a lot more uniform with Mi8/17/35.
They certainly need however a lot more. I would have expected 50+ modernized Hueys to be flying with Afghan colors by now...

cheers
 
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contedicavour

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Waylander said:
But IIRC Hueys are relatively useless in most parts of A-stan due to the height.
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Ah-ha good point I hadn't thought of that. We (Italy I mean) do operate though SH3D and AB412 out of Herat and Kabul... so may be there are some stocks of Sea Kings or larger Bells that the US could turn over.

cheers
 
harryriedl

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contedicavour said:
Ah-ha good point I hadn't thought of that. We (Italy I mean) do operate though SH3D and AB412 out of Herat and Kabul... so may be there are some stocks of Sea Kings or larger Bells that the US could turn over.

cheers
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just thinking as Europe and the USA are struggling with there Helo fleets. What big helo could anyone give.
how many Sea Kings could be gifted? i think not all that many
 
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kato

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Waylander said:
But IIRC Hueys are relatively useless in most parts of A-stan due to the height.
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Due to that, plus they don't have dust filters anyway. If they were suitable, Germany would have at least a dozen over there ;)

harryriedl:
Super Pumas. Mi-8. About the only non-Chinook/Stallion helos suitable to the environment.
If Germany ever deploys more helos to AFG before the CH53GA upgrade, they'd be Super Pumas owned by the BP.

I wonder if IAR still has that production line for their Super Puma license open? Would be considerably cheaper...
 
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