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Meriv90

Active Member
Really can’t shoe horn B21 into the right class. It would need to be more than just supersonic but also super cruise.
Although I can see potential for subsystems exchange between the three. The problem is the three have dramatically different missions in mind.
Well most people think they are all doing the same jobs realistically well they overlap they all have different needs to address.

NGAD PCA is high altitude long range. It’s likely to be pulling a super cruise at Mach 1.7 at over 60,000 feet that’s something Raptor is said to be able to do. But we also want it to have its fuel and burn it too. That’s why there was a lot of talk of a variable cycle engine. An engine that can sip fuel line an airliner well crossing the Pacific and fire breathing well supersonic at Mach 2.1.

GCAP is much more oriented to European defense needs so shorter range and much more multirole. GCAP is much more a Eurofighter fifth gen. The only partner who may want some more PCA capabilities in GCAP would be Japan who sits at the heart of the First and second island chains with multiple geopolitical, Historical issues vs China. As such I just don’t see a GCAP exchange happening unless the U.S. basically redesigned it.

FCAS if either of these projects had potential to exchange with the U.S. it would be FCAS but not to the USAF.
The USN.
FCAS is more likely to be closer to F/A-XX because the French Navy wants that Carrier capability vs GCAP. The only other Navy on earth that uses (currently*) cats is the USN. Though it’s highly unlikely that the USN would buy French.
I might add that probably the true scope of GCAP and FCAS is an industry rationalization and thus a competition to see who survives RR/BAE/Leonardo vs Safran/Airbus/Indra etc... etc...

If we had a common European defense, and lets say field 4-5 CVN then we could had had the french program for the navy and the "continental" program for the AF. But we dont have a common defense, not even close, thus we dont have economies of scale, that forces us to see who survives this technological round.

Thus partnering with the NGAD from both projects would be a no because it would create again a F-35 that is mainly a foreign product and thus an industrial security threat. Same with GCAP/FCAS ending in a single project because would mean postponing the rationalization of the industry and we are already due to some cuts.

I see it more like a race to make the least amount of errors, stay in budget, survive the political turmoils, than like an american programm of designing a two step ahead technological wonder that will ecplipse the competition.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
I doubt either the HS129 or IL-2 would have lasted any longer than the Stuka did over Britain in 1940. Ground attack aircraft whether dive bombing, level bombing or close to the ground need air superiority to be established first or in the case of the IL-2 (36,000 built) simply overwhelm enemy AD by sheer weight of numbers.
The Il-2 was operating in an environment where air opposition was spread rather thin, there was no integrated air defence command, & AFAIK a lack of air defence radar. There was a good chance of not being intercepted on any given mission.

That didn't apply over SE England in 1940, where the best AD network in the world up to that point was operating, with 100% coverage of the area of operations, & very, very much more fighters in comparison to the area defended. Even tip & run attacks on coastal targets were high risk.
 
The KC-10 Extender tanker variant of the DC-10 trijet airliner has been retired from service after 43 years.

 

swerve

Super Moderator
The former RNLAF KDC-10s were retired in 2019, but Omega Air bought them, & last I heard was using them to refuel USAF aircraft.
 
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