USAF Light Attack Aircraft

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Grumpy Old Man
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It seems that it won quite some favour in the FAC, at least they had two follow up buys.
A couple of US Agencies have been trialling Super Tucanos over the last 4 years. This is not really a new event. Again, as I said prev, over 5 agencies have been using light attack aircraft in a COIN role over the last 5 years.

It includes neary all of the aircraft mentioned throughout this thread.
 

B.Smitty

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A couple of US Agencies have been trialling Super Tucanos over the last 4 years. This is not really a new event. Again, as I said prev, over 5 agencies have been using light attack aircraft in a COIN role over the last 5 years.
I know these small, armed prop trainers are all the buzz these days, but I have trouble getting enthusiastic about them for the USAF. They may fill needs in smaller air forces, but I don't think they are a great fit for us.

Dispersed airfields in theory provide greater responsiveness, but in practice come with a host of problems. You can't just park a few aircraft on a dirt strip. You need a force protection package to sanitize the area around the airfield. You need to fly or truck in fuel, munitions, spares and maintenance crews. You need to house everything.

All of this turns a supposedly small, austere airbase into a major undertaking.

Personally, I would rather see a small jet, perhaps based on a trainer or even a business jet like the Cessna Citation series.

There are obvious drawbacks to using a bizjet (e.g. low-altitude survivability, maneuverability lack of ejection seats), but the benefits include known low costs of operation, potential shirt-sleeve work environment with lavatory (for those extremely long missions), and interior space for additional crew stations or rest areas.

Making this work would require a small guided munition that could be carried in numbers to take the place of strafing. Perhaps something like APKWS II. Ideally, munition standoff range and altitude would allow the bizjet to stay out of the trashfire envelope.

With long range, reasonably high cruising speed, AAR-capable, and a comfortable working environment, bizjet attack aircraft could be clustered at larger airbases and benefit from economies of scale for force protection and sustainment.
 

Valin

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I personally like the thought process here, seems to be a pretty good idea, the only question i have with this concept is how the airframe would deal with hard points and related munitions. also, what effect would an increased sensor/crew/weapons payload do to the airframe?

I was rater intrigued during a recent visit to Israel by a similar concept. As my flight was taxiing to the terminal, i spotted a Gulfstream (I think) that looked to be re manufactured into an AEW/Elint type platform.

This got me thinking for a moment as to the benefit of possibly having some more of these in the US for sea control. Perhaps this could be a platform which becomes a 'jack of all trades'? no need to purchase a super specialized platform when one can do many tasks well.

I know these small, armed prop trainers are all the buzz these days, but I have trouble getting enthusiastic about them for the USAF. They may fill needs in smaller air forces, but I don't think they are a great fit for us.

Dispersed airfields in theory provide greater responsiveness, but in practice come with a host of problems. You can't just park a few aircraft on a dirt strip. You need a force protection package to sanitize the area around the airfield. You need to fly or truck in fuel, munitions, spares and maintenance crews. You need to house everything.

All of this turns a supposedly small, austere airbase into a major undertaking.

Personally, I would rather see a small jet, perhaps based on a trainer or even a business jet like the Cessna Citation series.

There are obvious drawbacks to using a bizjet (e.g. low-altitude survivability, maneuverability lack of ejection seats), but the benefits include known low costs of operation, potential shirt-sleeve work environment with lavatory (for those extremely long missions), and interior space for additional crew stations or rest areas.

Making this work would require a small guided munition that could be carried in numbers to take the place of strafing. Perhaps something like APKWS II. Ideally, munition standoff range and altitude would allow the bizjet to stay out of the trashfire envelope.

With long range, reasonably high cruising speed, AAR-capable, and a comfortable working environment, bizjet attack aircraft could be clustered at larger airbases and benefit from economies of scale for force protection and sustainment.
 

B.Smitty

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I personally like the thought process here, seems to be a pretty good idea, the only question i have with this concept is how the airframe would deal with hard points and related munitions. also, what effect would an increased sensor/crew/weapons payload do to the airframe?
The Embraer EMP 145 MP is a maritime patrol version of the ERJ 145 small commercial jet with four underwing hardpoints and sensor package. It might be a bit large for what I'm proposing.

The OT-47B is a Cessna Citation used for counter-narcotics missions with an APG-66 radar and an EO/IR sensor. (OT-47B Citation II (Cessna 552)) It doesn't have hardpoints.

So at least sensors aren't a problem. i don't know how difficult it is to add hardpoints.
 
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