USAF F-15 fleet grounded

[F-15 Eagle]

Again we have been over this before. The F-15 has never reached Mach 2 in combat let lone Mach 2.5+. If I wanted statistics i could have looked at wikipedia myself.

The F-111 can fly 2000 miles, fly above Mach 2 and carry over 10,000kg of bombs. What you fail to comprehend is that the F-111 can only do one of these per mission. If it carried 10,000kg bombs it can no longer reach its top speed and range. If It flies above Mach 2 it can no longer reach its maximum range or carry its maximum bomb load.

F-111 has a combat radius more than double that of the F-35. Yet the RAAF was told that the F-35 will realistically be able to hit the same targets. Are you saying the RAAF was told lies?

You have to analyze the data provided. The F-15E cant hits its top speed, and reach its maximum combat radius all while carrying its maximum bomb load.

Not in combat it wont. The F-15E has been in service for nearly 20 years and it hasn't gone anywhere near Mach 2 in combat.


Whats your point of quoting thrust to weight values? Does it give an indication of how fast it can travel?

That thrust ratio of the F-35 is double that of the SR-71. Does that mean the F-35 can travel twice as fast?

Nice backpedal. The USAF will not be making any FB-22 strike fighter or light bomber aircraft. Any hope of such an aircraft was destroyed in the quadrennial defense review report in 2006. The only bomber that will be produced will be the B-3. The B-3 will be a heavy bomber and will not be a replacement for the F-15E.

There is no planned replacement for the F-15E. The F-35 will have to replace it by default as it is the only aircraft that is better.

Having access to restricted information that hasn't been made public helps


I think there is only one teenager in this thread. Too bad i am many years past that.

If the F-35 is so good than why is the RAAF replacing the F-111 with 24 F/A-18 Super Hornet's because of range and payload problems on the F-35 and the F-15E is even better than the F-111. How does the F-35 compare to the SU-30 or SU-35. The F-15 even without external fuel tanks is still has better range than the F-35's range. Do you have any experience in the military or being a military analysis? And what restricted information? What are you a conspiracy theorist or something? Every website on the Web says the F-15 can go Mach 2.5. You say there is no replacement for the F-15E then you say the F-35 will replace it by default, make up your mind. I said 2 times now give me some websites or citations to prove me wrong, otherwise you are just making stuff up based on your own opinion and you don't have any facts to back it up.

 

[RubiconNZ]

Again we have been over this before. The F-15 has never reached Mach 2 in combat let lone Mach 2.5+.

I would love some confirmation of this, while I understand the difference of trials and Combat Ops, I find it difficult to believe there is such a disparity in speeds.
Glad to be proved wrong the Eagle was an oppossing number to the Foxbat so perhaps it is all front.

There is no planned replacement for the F-15E. The F-35 will have to replace it by default as it is the only aircraft that is better.

Well really its the only aircraft, unless Raptor production is increased, though I suppose they will replace more of the F-15 C's not the Strike Eagles.

 

[RubiconNZ]

If the F-35 is so good than why is the RAAF replacing the F-111 with 24 F/A-18 Super Hornet's

Well technically the public line is the delay in the F-35 production schedule and the imminent retirements of the Pigs, the SH's were ready when the F-35's were not.

 

[rjmaz1]

Do you have any experience in the military or being a military analysis? And what restricted information?

Of course i dont work for the military Didn't you know that restricted information is always available for the general public to see Its a shame that some people will not listen to someone until their job title or qualifications are shown. I guess ill now have to wait for an admin to threaten me with being banned unless i provide proof of my employment.

Restricted information is information that is not released to the public.

I said 2 times now give me some websites or citations to prove me wrong, otherwise you are just making stuff up based on your own opinion and you don't have any facts to back it up.

...because all the restricted information is on wikipedia for the public to see.

 

[Preceptor]

Given the sniping that has started going on between members, this thread is being closed for 2 day cooling off period. Use the time to reflect on the topic and ways to discuss and debate without resorting to insults. Do not move to other threads to continue.

-Preceptor

 

[Preceptor]

I have reopened the thread. As long as any debating and discussion is conducted in a polite and civilized manner, it can remain open. If, on the other hand, members cannot control themselves and again resort to insults, etc the thread will be closed as such conduct and manners is not beneficial to anyone.

-Preceptor

 

[F-15 Eagle]

After 2 weeks of being grounded, the fleet of 676 F-15's are back in their normal operations. I also read that the Air Force could get 20 extra F-22's in 2009, and the possibility of 40-50 more F-22's bringing the total to 223-233 F-22's. If they do get a fleet of 223-233 F-22's what will happen to the golden Eagles, since they still need 381 F-22's? Maybe they will keep 100 F-15C instead of 178 F-15C.

 

[eckherl]

After 2 weeks of being grounded, the fleet of 676 F-15's are back in their normal operations. I also read that the Air Force could get 20 extra F-22's in 2009, and the possibility of 40-50 more F-22's bringing the total to 223-233 F-22's. If they do get a fleet of 223-233 F-22's what will happen to the golden Eagles, since they still need 381 F-22's? Maybe they will keep 100 F-15C instead of 178 F-15C.

Yep - I knew it, they will use this with a justification to purchase additional Raptors.

 

[F-15 Eagle]

Yep - I knew it, they will use this with a justification to purchase additional Raptors.

OK but what will happen to the fleet of 178 Golden Eagles that the Air Force plans to keep until 2025? Because 223-233 F-22's is still below 381 F-22's the AF needs to replace the F-15C. I am sure it wont hurt to have a fleet of 223 F-22, 178 F-15C, and 224 F-15E, as it is only 20-30 additional Jets above 381 aircraft. I don't count the F-15E in the 381 number because the F-22 is not designed to replace the F-15E. So 401 F-22/F-15 + 224 F-15E sounds about right to me, though I still think the Air Force should get 381 F-22 to replace all F-15C, and not just a mediocre increase of 40-50 F-22.

 

[eckherl]

OK but what will happen to the fleet of 178 Golden Eagles that the Air Force plans to keep until 2025? Because 223-233 F-22's is still below 381 F-22's the AF needs to replace the F-15C. I am sure it wont hurt to have a fleet of 223 F-22, 178 F-15C, and 224 F-15E, as it is only 20-30 additional Jets above 381 aircraft. I don't count the F-15E in the 381 number because the F-22 is not designed to replace the F-15E. So 401 F-22/F-15 + 224 F-15E sounds about right to me, though I still think the Air Force should get 381 F-22 to replace all F-15C, and not just a mediocre increase of 40-50 F-22.

I do not know what they will do with the Golden Eagles, but I know that they had to fight with congress to get as many F-22s that they could get due to cost per aircraft, this gives the U.S Airforce just cause with some facts to back up additional purchases, who knows what they will eventually end up getting if they can get rid of all F-15C models.

 

[F-15 Eagle]

I do not know what they will do with the Golden Eagles, but I know that they had to fight with congress to get as many F-22s that they could get due to cost per aircraft, this gives the U.S Airforce just cause with some facts to back up additional purchases, who knows what they will eventually end up getting if they can get rid of all F-15C models.

I would hope they keep enough F-15C so they have enough fighters until they get 381 F-22. As I said 223-233 F-22's is still below 381 but still 40-50 extra F-22 is better than 183 F-22.

 

[F-15 Eagle]

Japan will upgrade their fleet of over 200 F-15 J and DJ models with a radar upgrade similer to the USAF plan to upgrade 178 F-15C with APG-63 V-3 and the fleet of 224 F-15E Strike Eagles with the APG-63 V-4 AESA.

 

[swerve]

Japan will upgrade their fleet of over 200 F-15 J and DJ models with a radar upgrade similer to the USAF plan to upgrade 178 F-15C with APG-63 V-3 and the fleet of 224 F-15E Strike Eagles with the APG-63 V-4 AESA.

Over 200? Probably not, after 26 years. 223 received, minus crashes (12 up to 1995), minus other write-offs.

The JASDF official site says it has 260 fighters altogether.

 

[rjmaz1]

OK but what will happen to the fleet of 178 Golden Eagles that the Air Force plans to keep until 2025?

The USAF doesn't have 178 Golden Eagles yet.

They are current upgrading them at the moment and are quite a long way from reaching 178 aircraft.

If more F-22's are produced they'll simply reduce the number of APG-63 V3 radars purchased as the contract allows for this AFAIK. Its a year by year contract and can be ended quickly. If the USAF can get more F-22's at the expense of upgraded F-15's then the decision will be a quick one.

Also there is no solid requirement saying that 381 front line fighters are required. Thats just an estimate, based on the planned threat environment. Originally it was over 600, it could very well drop below 381 or it could go well above 400 aircraft.

183 F-22 and 178 F-15C+ is only 361 aircraft. The USAF knows that a smaller number of F-22's can perform the job of the F-15. As a result if more F-22's are procured the total number of aircraft can drop further below 361 aircraft without a loss in capability. I'd definitely prefer 250 F-22's and no upgraded F-15's at all and so would the USAF as its retired hundreds of aircraft just to get a couple more F-22's.

If you are worried about total number of aircraft then the F-35 can always assist the F-22 in air to air.

Over 200? Probably not

F-15 Eagle probably saw something on wikipedia :

 

[F-15 Eagle]

The USAF doesn't have 178 Golden Eagles yet.

They are current upgrading them at the moment and are quite a long way from reaching 178 aircraft.

If more F-22's are produced they'll simply reduce the number of APG-63 V3 radars purchased as the contract allows for this AFAIK. Its a year by year contract and can be ended quickly. If the USAF can get more F-22's at the expense of upgraded F-15's then the decision will be a quick one.

Also there is no solid requirement saying that 381 front line fighters are required. Thats just an estimate, based on the planned threat environment. Originally it was over 600, it could very well drop below 381 or it could go well above 400 aircraft.

183 F-22 and 178 F-15C+ is only 361 aircraft. The USAF knows that a smaller number of F-22's can perform the job of the F-15. As a result if more F-22's are procured the total number of aircraft can drop further below 361 aircraft without a loss in capability. I'd definitely prefer 250 F-22's and no upgraded F-15's at all and so would the USAF as its retired hundreds of aircraft just to get a couple more F-22's.

If you are worried about total number of aircraft then the F-35 can always assist the F-22 in air to air.


F-15 Eagle probably saw something on wikipedia :

Their most likely going to get 20 extra F-22's in 2009 which will be 381 aircraft, 203 F-22+178 F-15C. If the AF does get say 250 F-22 they will still have some F-15C, not just as much as 178 which makes sense. I doubt they will get more than 203 F-22, because of the budget problems caused by the war in Iraq which is leaving the U.S. Military short changed, and because of competition from the F-35.

 

[rjmaz1]

I doubt they will get more than 203 F-22, because of the budget problems caused by the war in Iraq which is leaving the U.S. Military short changed, and because of competition from the F-35.

Yep its the F-35 that will eat up the budget.

The main reason why 20 extra F-22's may be purchased is the USAF will have the money as the F-35 is delayed and will enter full scale production much later than expect. Apparently the USAF used money that was meant to pay for the F-22 production line to close to procure the aircraft. Thats a fairly good sign.

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[F-15 Eagle]

Yep its the F-35 that will eat up the budget.

The main reason why 20 extra F-22's may be purchased is the USAF will have the money as the F-35 is delayed and will enter full scale production much later than expect. Apparently the USAF used money that was meant to pay for the F-22 production line to close to procure the aircraft. Thats a fairly good sign.

From an inside source the USAF will 99.9% likely to get more than 203 F-22's. The F-22 production line will not close until the F-35 begins full scale production.

Thats all possible, the more F-22's the AF gets the better, as for the Golden Eagles I looked that up on Google, the plan remains the same, they will keep 178 F-15C until at least 2025, and all 224 F-15E will serve through 2035.

 

[jaffo4011]

a quick call to eurofighter gmbh could probably solve the us's air defence problems pretty quickly.
they will be a lot cheaper than another batch of f22's,and im sure that production could be ramped up in the states without any problems.

thats just one of the benefits of living in a country that promotes fair trade like the u.s.

i really cant imagine anyone in the states objecting to a fantastic deal like thisnfloorl:

 

[eckherl]

a quick call to eurofighter gmbh could probably solve the us's air defence problems pretty quickly.
they will be a lot cheaper than another batch of f22's,and im sure that production could be ramped up in the states without any problems.

thats just one of the benefits of living in a country that promotes fair trade like the u.s.

i really cant imagine anyone in the states objecting to a fantastic deal like thisnfloorl:

Why should we settle for second best.

 

[rjmaz1]

Why should we settle for second best.

Third best..

The F-22 and F-35 will be one and two