US to display F-16s at Indian show

[P.A.F]

http://www.dawn.com/2004/12/26/top11.htm

WASHINGTON, Dec 25: The United States will display its frontline F-16 jet fighters for the first time in the coming Aero India international air show which begins in Bangalore on Feb 9.

Several American aerospace firms like Lockheed Martin, Northrop and Boeing Corp will participate in the show with an aim to stir India's interests in their products.

India, which is one of the largest buyers of weapons in the world, stayed out of their reach because of the US sanctions imposed after the 1998 Pokhran nuclear tests. The sanctions were lifted in 2002.

Seventy-eight aviation companies from 25 countries are expected to participate in the five-day mega event.

The US will also display its maritime surveillance aircraft Orion PC-3, which it is planning to sell to both India and Pakistan, while the US Army will bring a helicopter.

India will showcase its aircraft design capabilities in the three home-grown aircraft - Advanced Light Helicopter Dhruv, the Light Combat Aircraft Tejas and the Intermediate Jet Trainer. The Indian Air Force will also display its Surya Kiran aerobatic and Saran helicopter aerobatic team.

Air force chiefs of 12 countries including China, Egypt, Japan, Sweden, Vietnam and Germany have confirmed their participation in the event, organized to showcase India's prowess in the aviation field.

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i have a feeling that the US would much prefer selling india F-16's :roll

 

[gf0012-aust]

i have a feeling that the US would much prefer selling india F-16's :roll

I really can't see India buying F-16's. It would complicate their logistics train too much.

It's a show and play exercise - nothing more IMHO.

 

[lonelyrider79]

less chances of F-16 for IAF for unreliability of supply of spare parts, however if reports to be believed that they might be produced under license in india then its a good opportunity , interesting competition then between Mirage and F-16 , chances r for former since IAF specific requirements r for Mirage

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[santpaul]

The only way I see India intrested is if U.S. shows their F-22

Which I bet Will never happen

 

[Rolex]

Ha ha F22... Thats true... But IAF is not opting for any US planes for now., They are insisting in Kaveri engines even for the first squadron of LCAs, which were previously planned with GE engines... Currently IAF is allergic to anything from the US... We lost atleast three years because of the sanctions...

 

[ajay_ijn]

But Navy is interested in P-3C orion and I suppose they will sign the deal after that AI show.
and not to say PAC-3.

 

[P.A.F]

india is intrested in a lot of things which the US have to offer.

 

[adsH]

Ha ha F22... Thats true... But IAF is not opting for any US planes for now., They are insisting in Kaveri engines even for the first squadron of LCAs, which were previously planned with GE engines... Currently IAF is allergic to anything from the US... We lost atleast three years because of the sanctions...

thats true, and for some odd reason i don't see PAC-3 Deal or the P3-C orion deal going through either. India would rather End up with Israel and Russia and jointly develop a russian platform, which it would have a certain degree of control over. i know the russians had some problems with the Israelis upgrading some of the Russian Recon AC. but that should be in the past since the Russians are getting there funding form indians for the Next gen Projects. PAC-3 would irritate Russia, again, since PAC-3 would shadow Russian Made sams which it is trying ot sell the Indians. If india Signs any of the Western Deals Bar some Exceptions, it would be harming it own long standing relations with the Russian. which it cannot do, since India relies on its russian Ally.

 

[ajay_ijn]

PAC-3 would irritate Russia, again, since PAC-3 would shadow Russian Made sams which it is trying ot sell the Indians

If india Signs any of the Western Deals Bar some Exceptions, it would be harming it own long standing relations with the Russian. which it cannot do, since India relies on its russian Ally.

We can't say western deal,to be specific US deals becoz India has buyed many costly weapons from Isreal,France,Britain etc.
Russians Never like US selling any weapon to India though India has specified it will also look western options.
I think India was not interested in Russian S-300 SAMs(Don't know why) and went for Arrow.When arrow was rejected for sale ,India wanted patriot.
Infact India leased S-300 for field trials (in 1997 i think) but did not induct it.

PAC-3 deal will be surely delayed,Atleast P-3C must be signed,russians will have no problem becoz India already buyed many Russian Naval surveillance aircraft.

 

[mysterious]

One thing is for sure that if Indians start getting more interested in US systems and opt to go for them instead of Russian ones; it will surely irritate the Russians who have already said that if India doesn't give due importance to their relations, they will have no problems in Russian weapon systems sales to Pakistan.

 

[ajay_ijn]

Russians who have already said that if India doesn't give due importance to their relations, they will have no problems in Russian weapon systems sales to Pakistan.

May be this statement is for Patriot deal,becoz PAC-3 has strategic and political calue while P-3C is purely a normal aircraft.
Even then why to take risk and lose our best friend?
I think India can manage if it does not get PAC-3 or P-3C but cannot see Russia selling weapons pakistan,that will be shocking moments for India.
India cannot risk :usa :india for losing its best friend:russia in the field of arms aquisition.

But the Big question is
Why is India running after Patriot or Arrow even though they can get the best Russian S-300PMU????

 

[arjun]

May be this statement is for Patriot deal,becoz PAC-3 has strategic and political calue while P-3C is purely a normal aircraft.
Even then why to take risk and lose our best friend?
I think India can manage if it does not get PAC-3 or P-3C but cannot see Russia selling weapons pakistan,that will be shocking moments for India.
India cannot risk :usa :india for losing its best friend:russia in the field of arms aquisition.

But the Big question is
Why is India running after Patriot or Arrow even though they can get the best Russian S-300PMU????

I do agree with u russian technology r world best and russia is cold war ally so that mean when no body was in support of india at that time russia had hold the hand of india. russia and is never jealous of india. and pakistan have his own cold war time friend and usa have always support pakistan so it donot make sence if india is trying to get usa things. the whole world is aware of best of russian technology and what is the garuntee if india will go for american things it will supply without break. world knows usa had kept sanction and try all the way to india donot get palcon aew. even usa also asking support of russian technology for us space projects so the russian have better technology in all field and for india donot make sence to get just some things from usa to loose the best friend like russia which is really support ally and had never stoped to supply technology or support in any field . india never do any thing like that which can irritate russia and india loose his best friend india have future with russia and russia have future with india so no chance this friendship will break which is the ture friendship.

 

[srirangan]

I really think Russia will counter USA's products by offering India ToT and joint ventures. This is what they have been exactly doing so far.

Those who think that Russia will counter India-US affinity by snuggling upto Pakistan are in for a rude shock. Even if India purchase some US products, still India's demand for Russian arms will dwarf Pakistan's demand. Will Russia sell to a smaller market ignoring the larger market, even if it wants to (not that it does) it can't! Simple economics.

Russia has agreed not to sell to Pakstan only because Pakistan is such a small market indeed. Does Russia really care about India? Hell No, if they did they wouldn't make sales to China. Is India bothered? Hell no, economic theories hold good. India appreciates that.

Russia will only gain a market share if they add more value to their products. Which in India's case has been ToT and Joint Productions & Ventures.
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[kilo_4que]

To elaborate further my friend, i think you are looking at this whole affair in a very bold way.

With Russia being concerned, of course they are as they only have India as their main source of export in military arms however where China comes into it, it is a total different situation. The only thing china wants from russia is a license for certain arsenal but nothing in solid state. The issue does not necessarily involve Pak being a smaller nation since if you look at defence budgets of pak which compared to india may be low but consider their annual spending then im sure pak could give india a shocking surprise with their potential purchases. Money is no longer an issue, it is whining from india on one side preventing or at the very least trying to prevent the US to sell to Pak and this in turn sturs up possbilities of european tech supplied suc has the recent withdrawal of Belgium and the F16 Saga.

Furthermore, the Rafale is available for pak though they are not interested due to the ridiculous price tags to them, rather opt for the sexy grippen but then there is reluctancy due to this whole razmataz which has been amplified by indias continuous bikkering.

I hope nothing seems personal but the truth cannot be hidden. It is blatant that predominate deals thats are flawed or are unsuccessful following optimistic talks on behlaf of pakistan are due to indias continuous paranoia.

This blatantly shows that India does have some great concerns regarding pakistans military might and even more since they are aiming to modernise as muc has they can as long as no obstacles are in their way

 

[ajay_ijn]

This blatantly shows that India does have some great concerns regarding pakistans military might and even more since they are aiming to modernise as muc has they can as long as no obstacles are in their way

Its not like that.
IAF Cheif has said pakistan getting F-16's are no worry becoz he knows that IAF Has much more potential.
But I think India Govt and US-Indian Community doesn't want pakistan to get an offensive Weapon from US.Don't know why.

I think Indian Govt became angry when US rejected Arrow Sale Saying that this could spark arms race in south Asia.
In the same way India does not want US to sell offensive platform to pak.
The Indian govt Saying will be "When we won't get Arrow,we will not allow pak to get F-16".

Furthermore, the Rafale is available for pak though they are not interested due to the ridiculous price tags to them, rather opt for the sexy grippen but then there is reluctancy due to this whole razmataz which has been amplified by indias continuous bikkering.

By the way Did france offer Rafale to pakistan??

 

[mysterious]

What Indian Govt and US-Indian community? Its all B.S., you stop F-16s to us today, we'll get something much more advanced in our search for a high-tech aircraft tommorow. Better to let us get away with those F-16s I'd say for your paranoia's sakes!

 

[srirangan]

lol! Yes I agree. We should be afraid, very afraid!
back to topic, US firms interested in showcasing products in India/.

 

[arjun]

how is that they r so worried about to get F 16 i think it seems like india is going to say yes or no for deal. it look like india is the boss to say yes or no need green signal to buy F 16 how is that .

 

[aaaditya]

france offered rafale to india too however india rejected the offer.india rejected mirage2000-5 in favour of su-30mki and are now again going for mirage2000-5.

 

[kilo_4que]

france offered rafale to india too however india rejected the offer.india rejected mirage2000-5 in favour of su-30mki and are now again going for mirage2000-5.

They had to reject the Rafale since Russia would get all sombre about it.

Regarding F16s and Pakistan. That is indias worst nightmare since Pakistan have proven they qualities with the F16s, probably the most flexible with the aircraft. Do remember the lock on two Migs i guess had on the F16 many years ago where the pilot broke lose from it, no tom dickk n harry pilot can do that.

And furthermore, if it wasnt much of an issue, if the F16s are nothing then why is it that India is the only nation that moans about it. Give me a reason please. There has been no rational reason given to us yet which implies fear is top of indias agenda when talking about the F16s