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aussienscale

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All 3 members of AUKUS are also within the 5EYEs alliance with has been dealing with this issue for decades. You only hear about the more public (and stupid) spies getting caught. There will be reviews naturally but there are good levels of trust when it comes to intelligence and security sharing networks which has been robustly setup between members.
If it was Australia I would be asking to see the inside of Rex Patrick's office safe :D
 

ngatimozart

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Surely they where not stupid enough to go to a NATO or ANZUS ally.
Some people can have every degree in the world and still be as thick as two short planks. The story is on its third day in the NZ media and its generally reposts of US or UK stories. I will have to check the NY Times and Washington Post again.
 

Rob c

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Some people can have every degree in the world and still be as thick as two short planks.
Had one like that ( they had two relevant degree's)some years ago when working for McCain's. They were given to me as a management trainee, That person even struggled with basic practical items like turning things on or off. set the lab on fire, and was slowly down graded until it was obvious they had no future. So they resigned and went back to Uni to get a third degree! Absolutely no ability to turn their knowledge into practical use. The next management trainee I got was the exact opposite and qualitied as a very good production manager.
 
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KrustyKoala

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Ankit Panda has a little Twitter thread and highlights a "small clue" for anyone trying to decode who is "COUNTRY1". He notes that COUNTRY1 was cooperative with the FBI and the unusual extract of the United States of America V. Jonathan Toebbe and Diana Toebbe complaint
"One day, when it is safe perhaps two old friends will have a chance to stumble into each other at a cafe, share a bottle of wine and laugh over the stories of their shared exploits" The thread seems to point to France. Another thread by Matt Blaze also points to France. Something which stood out to Matt Blaze and maybe some of you is that he says "COUNTRY1 got the package in April, but waited until after the election (December) to decide to rebuff it and share with the US." He questions if COUNTRY1 would have been so cooperative if the election turned out different
 

ngatimozart

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A new report on the Bonhomme Richard fire points to systemic and chain of command failures causing the loss of the ship. Whilst the initial cause of the fire was arson:

“Although the fire was started by an act of arson, the ship was lost due to an inability to extinguish the fire,” Conn wrote in his investigation, which was completed in April and reviewed by USNI News this week.

“In the 19 months executing the ship’s maintenance availability, repeated failures allowed for the accumulation of significant risk and an inadequately prepared crew, which led to an ineffective fire response.”
Beyond the ship, Conn concluded that training and oversight failures throughout the fleet – from Naval Sea Systems Command, U.S. Pacific Fleet, Naval Surface Force Pacific Fleet and several other commands – contributed to the loss of the $2 billion warship. Conn singled out 36 individuals, including five admirals, who were responsible for the loss of the ship due to either their actions on July 12 or lack of oversight leading up to the alleged arson.
“The training and readiness of the ship’s crew were deficient. They were unprepared to respond. Integration between the ship and supporting shore-based firefighting organizations was inadequate,” wrote Pacific Fleet commander Adm. Samuel Paparo in his Aug. 3 endorsement of the investigation.
“There was an absence of effective oversight that should have identified the accumulated risk, and taken independent action to ensure readiness to fight a fire. Common to the failures evident in each of these broad categories was a lack of familiarity with requirements and procedural noncompliance at all levels of command.”
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The first hint of trouble on July 12, 2020, came just after morning colors. Just after 8:00 a.m., a junior sailor walked through the upper vehicle deck as she headed out to a vending machine after her watch. She noticed a “hazy, white fog” in the lower vehicle deck around 8:10 a.m. But she didn’t report it, the investigation found, noting that “because she did not smell smoke, (the sailor) continued to her berthing.” Around 115 of the 138 sailors swapping duty on the ship that morning were just a fraction of the 1,000-plus in the ship’s company.
Around that time, another sailor who stopped at a sideport door in the Upper V to chat with a sentry “observed white smoke rising from the Lower V ramp into Upper V,” according to the report. One of them ran up the ramp and through the hangar to reach the quarterdeck, telling the officer-of-the-deck about the smoke.
At about 8:15 a.m. the engineering duty officer ran into a civilian contractor who told him of smoke near the mess decks. The EDO went to investigate and met another crew member who was also investigating a report of smoke. ...
The duty fire marshal told investigators he received a report of smoke in the Upper V and went to investigate, then called the Damage Control Central watch supervisor to tell the ship’s company about the casualty after seeing “smoke pouring out of Lower V.”
“The OOD stated that the [Damage Control] Central watchstander informed him that they already made a 1MC announcement. Having not heard any announcement, at 0820, the OOD called away the casualty over the 1MC,” the report found. The officer told investigators “he delayed calling away the casualty due to the possibility of a benign reason for the smoke (such as starting an Emergency Diesel Generator).”
That 1MC call was the first time the ship’s command duty officer, who was in his stateroom, learned of the fire. He reached the hangar, where the crew was organizing an initial suppression effort, at 8:24 a.m. The CDO had texted the ship’s commander and executive officer, who were both at their residences, about the reports of smoke. Bonhomme Richard’s commander, Capt. Gregory Thoroman, received the text about the black smoke at 8:32 a.m., shortly before the senior enlisted sailor – the command master chief – called to tell him “that a few sailors suffered smoke inhalation.” Thoroman drove to the base, as did the XO, who was told of the fire by the CMC.
At 8:22 a.m. the sound of the ship’s bell could be heard from a nearby parking lot.
Minutes later, crews aboard destroyers USS Russell (DDG-59) and USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62), which were also berthed on Pier 1, reported black smoke coming from Bonhomme Richard. Both destroyers “assembled their duty sections and began equipping Rescue and Assistance (R&A) teams,” with a team of 11 from Russell and eight from Fitzgerald reaching BHR’s hangar. But neither team was directed to join in the fire attack, according to the investigation."

So looks like significant failings all around. Unfortunately the junior rates, senior rates, DOs, EO, XO & CO will be disciplined resulting in some having their careers killed but those who occupy berths that have the real responsibility will skate free without a mark to blemish their reputations and careers.

 

spoz

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Easy to blame individuals when in reality the system, which they cannot reasonably be expected to change, sets them up for failure. May not have been the issue here, and the apparent quick response from the DDGs does suggest in they were slower in interpreting the situation than they should have been, but my reading so far is that it was the situation of the shipyard environment and the effects that has on DC capability that was the main issue. And that would seem to have been the product of many years acceptance of slowly slipping standards, possibly due to budgetary and schedule pressures, which conditioned people to accept ways of doing business which objectively were certainly wrong, but had become « the way things are always done ». Won’t stop them slaughtering the individuals, though.
 
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DDG38

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One for the Naval weapon system experts out there, anyone know what mount this is on the old CIWS mount forward of the bridge on USS Stockdale ? (pretty sure it's not SeaRAM) (Image sourced from the ADF Image Library)
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FormerDirtDart

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One for the Naval weapon system experts out there, anyone know what mount this is on the old CIWS mount forward of the bridge on USS Stockdale ? (pretty sure it's not SeaRAM) (Image sourced from the ADF Image Library)
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I believe that is a directed energy weapon - specifically an ODIN laser/dazzler.
Yes, a laser dazzler. Optics no doubt facing back to reduce wear and tear
 

spoz

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That would still be supposition at this stage. The guy is a well informed former submariner, but he might still be just picking up brew station gossip.
 

John Fedup

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According to USNI.
Maybe the seamount is an artificial one, recently created by the usual suspect.;)
 

spoz

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According to USNI.
Ah well, I've often been proven wrong, but not often that quickly!
 

ASSAIL

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Ah well, I've often been proven wrong, but not often that quickly!
I’m not familiar with modern sub surface nav but do these boats have some type of fwd looking high frequency sounder?
If they were running quiet I figure if they had it it wouldn’t be in use anyway.
 
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