gazzzwp
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I was thinking more of a cyber attack. Loss of control for a prolonged period would better explain the collision imho rather than negligence or incompetence.
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Still a lot of questions.
Seems like the collision alarm didn't sound either (or not for long if at all).
A hack may have contributed to it, but there would be multiple systems on top of eyes and radio.
Pretty sure she went back under her own power.
Pirates are also known to operate in the area. There are also known muslim extremist training areas in Aceh which is part of the straits. There was some fear that they might hijack a oil tanker and cause trouble or directly attack shipping..
Singapore raises security alert after Malacca threat | Reuters
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/09/15/worlds-most-pirated-waters.html
The US was pushing for greater US patrols in the area to improve security. This incident won't help that.
A 30,000t oil tanker is a bit big for pirates, but not big enough the crew wouldn't have been worried about it.
It is a twin screw ship, it can be controlled and rudders can be controlled by secondary means if the primary fails.
Cyber is not plausible for ship control, it is plausible though doubtful for situational awareness.
In the latest news I note that PACOM ADM Scott Swift has removed 7th Fleet Commander VADM Aucoin from his post.
When I have a workable link I'll post.
He has also implemented a retraining programme for all watchkeeping personnel across the forward deployed ships in the Western Pacific.
This latter gives you some clue as to where the USN believes the problems lie.
And the link below.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/22/politics/uss-mccain-7th-fleet-commander-dismissal/index.html
When I have a workable link I'll post.
He has also implemented a retraining programme for all watchkeeping personnel across the forward deployed ships in the Western Pacific.
This latter gives you some clue as to where the USN believes the problems lie.
And the link below.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/22/politics/uss-mccain-7th-fleet-commander-dismissal/index.html
gazzzwp
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Good to know. Thanks.
Absolutely right.
I have a cousin who was in the RN for 20 years, & off Kuwait in early 1991. I recall him talking about watchkeeping, which he did spells of in addition to his main duties (cooking - retired as a CPO cook) when they were in busy waters or there was thought to be any high risk from something that more eyes on watch might help counter, e.g. mines.
They had big binoculars on mounts, apparently, so your arms don't get tired. And IIRC night vision binoculars.
John Fedup
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Again, not knowing all the facts, it seems incredibly bizarre that increased watch capabilities weren't being utilized in one of the highest traffic volume straights in the world. I suspect there would numerous crew members who would welcome this alternative duty to pick up a pair of binoculars and help out as a diversion from their normal duties.
The Navy has fired the commander of the US 7th Fleet as a result of the recent spate of accidents. Sh*t flows uphill also.
US Navy 7th Fleet commander dismissed, Navy says - CNNPolitics
US Navy 7th Fleet commander dismissed, Navy says - CNNPolitics
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
I came across this article about GPS spoofing. Not applicable to the recent USN collisions but it is another "cyber hassle". A new eLoran solution for US waters seems to be a good backup plan.
VIEWPOINT: GPS Spoofing Incident Points to Fragility of Navigation Satellites
VIEWPOINT: GPS Spoofing Incident Points to Fragility of Navigation Satellites
Chinese media are making nonstop merry with this.
From news to comedy shows it's almost a loop of FITZGERALD and MCCAIN footage.
You know, America's decline clearly visible while China's ascent is inevitable, with ships that aren't holed.
To which I say, okay, then, take on the 7th Fleet and PACOM, for real, and let me know how it went.
From news to comedy shows it's almost a loop of FITZGERALD and MCCAIN footage.
You know, America's decline clearly visible while China's ascent is inevitable, with ships that aren't holed.
To which I say, okay, then, take on the 7th Fleet and PACOM, for real, and let me know how it went.
Attempts to solve the USN's frigate quandary have taken an interesting turn. In July a very heavyweight delegation from the Pentagon, USN and industry types visited the Muggiano shipyard, Italy, where the FREMMs are built. They're back this week, for more long briefings.
For some useful background to all the activity, this article in Defense News is decent. Here - https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2...s-keeps-an-eye-overseas/#.WayqyKHulXA.twitter
If they're serious about any sort of frigate project, then it's hard to see how they have time generate a US clean-sheet design.
For some useful background to all the activity, this article in Defense News is decent. Here - https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2...s-keeps-an-eye-overseas/#.WayqyKHulXA.twitter
If they're serious about any sort of frigate project, then it's hard to see how they have time generate a US clean-sheet design.
I would have thought the Fridtjof Nansen-class would be an easier fit/lower risk for US weapons and systems. The FREMM is also pretty nice as well supporting two helicopters.
Personally I don't think the origin of the design is that important. Many designs have been heavily influenced by the US, and design with US assistance. The US designs many ships, so it is not like it is putting the design teams at risk.
Being able to pick up something existing would certainly accelerate the project. It would also stop a lot of time wasting about what should and shouldn't be in it. You pick a design and go for it.
Agreed.
Merely raising at eyebrow at this end at the prospect of US Congress playing along with the foreign aspect to this.
USN and Pentagon proponents will need a shedload of heachache meds.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
The reverse engineering metric measurement is amusing. Perhaps joining the world standard 30 years ago or so like Canada did would help. Then again, considering our defence procurement record, perhaps not!
I wonder, if RAN picked the same hull for Sea5000, how about we Aussie build some hull for USN until their shipyard is tune-up-ed for the job?The reverse engineering metric measurement is amusing. Perhaps joining the world standard 30 years ago or so like Canada did would help. Then again, considering our defence procurement record, perhaps not!
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Using an offshore design will be a struggle for the USN but building offshore is a bridge too far, in fact I am not sure if US law allows warships to be foreign built.
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It doesn't, I'm pretty sure the Jones act will prevent it.
Episode 524: Me and Mr. Jones : Planet Money : NPR
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
The Jones Act, IIRC, applies to commercial ships travelling between US ports. These ships have to be US built. It has nothing to do with warships. There are likely laws requiring US warships to be built in the US but the Jones Act isn't one of them.
I agree Oz, advantages to both IMO. FREMM offers substaially grater capabilities, range, weapons load etc. vs a hull already using SPY-1.