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Volkodav

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Multiple rounds fired so I guess Vanilla 3P rounds were employed. Impressive results. Looking forward to live-fire tests of the ORKA round demonstrating one-shot, one-kill performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKVIXXabkl0
Very interesting, I wonder if ORKA may see 57mm put back on the Zummwalts in place of the 25mm cost down decision. It also opens up some serious possibilities for light combatants in general, as well as, dare I say it, medium armoured vehicles, why carry several hundred 30 or 35mm rounds when you could have a far more lethal 57mm with guided munitions in the mix for counter air and even top attack against more heavily armoured targets.
 

colay1

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ORKA would appear to outrange Hellfire on LCS for dealing with swarming boats. It should also be significantly cheaper.
 

colay1

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More on the upgunning of the new Frigate which is beginning to like a mini-Burke. The Navy seems to acknowledge the pressure from those who are not sold on the Austal and LM Frigate designs by considering alternatives to include foreign offerings.


https://news.usni.org/2017/04/12/na...ate-competition-expanding-anti-air-capability

THE PENTAGON – The Navy is considering increasing its future frigate’s anti-air firepower and may open up the frigate design competition to hulls beyond the current two small surface combatant , the service told USNI News on Wednesday.

An ongoing study will balance the original frigate requirements – to up-gun the existing Littoral Combat Ship designs with additional anti-surface and anti-submarine capabilities – with the desire for anti-air firepower equivalent to a guided-missile frigate. The study, set to be completed this spring, will also evaluate other design beyond the Lockheed Martin Freedom-variant (LCS-1) and Austal USA Independence-variant (LCS-2) hulls...

The look at other hulls – potentially foreign designs – could bring in additional competition beyond the two yards. While the U.S. has not focused on traditional small naval ship designs, Western European shipbuilders have designed several guided-missile frigates that could partner with U.S. companies for a new frigate bid.

The new study and the expansion of the hulls under consideration call into question when the service will release the final Request for Proposal for the final frigate design, which was due sometime this year.
 

gf0012-aust

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More on the upgunning of the new Frigate which is beginning to like a mini-Burke. The Navy seems to acknowledge the pressure from those who are not sold on the Austal and LM Frigate designs by considering alternatives to include foreign offerings.


https://news.usni.org/2017/04/12/na...ate-competition-expanding-anti-air-capability

THE PENTAGON – The Navy is considering increasing its future frigate’s anti-air firepower and may open up the frigate design competition to hulls beyond the current two small surface combatant , the service told USNI News on Wednesday.

An ongoing study will balance the original frigate requirements – to up-gun the existing Littoral Combat Ship designs with additional anti-surface and anti-submarine capabilities – with the desire for anti-air firepower equivalent to a guided-missile frigate. The study, set to be completed this spring, will also evaluate other design beyond the Lockheed Martin Freedom-variant (LCS-1) and Austal USA Independence-variant (LCS-2) hulls...

The look at other hulls – potentially foreign designs – could bring in additional competition beyond the two yards. While the U.S. has not focused on traditional small naval ship designs, Western European shipbuilders have designed several guided-missile frigates that could partner with U.S. companies for a new frigate bid.

The new study and the expansion of the hulls under consideration call into question when the service will release the final Request for Proposal for the final frigate design, which was due sometime this year.
the issue is not so much about the combat capability - it's also about crewing philosophies

there's some cultural issues around damage/fire control that also have to be factored in - esp on smaller ships.

it will mean potentially picking up more of the LCS crewing model with some of the smaller euro designs
 

StingrayOZ

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the issue is not so much about the combat capability - it's also about crewing philosophies

there's some cultural issues around damage/fire control that also have to be factored in - esp on smaller ships.

it will mean potentially picking up more of the LCS crewing model with some of the smaller euro designs
I heard the F-105 design was being thrown around as a FFG type replacement. That would seem to overlap with the Burkes in design philosophy a bit. Crewing isn't wildly different either. Are there any designs they are realistically looking at?
 

alexsa

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I heard the F-105 design was being thrown around as a FFG type replacement. That would seem to overlap with the Burkes in design philosophy a bit. Crewing isn't wildly different either. Are there any designs they are realistically looking at?
Ha, boy could you start rumors from that ...... A CEA Radar equipped evolved F105 with the AEGIS combat system as the next FFG

............... I am kidding
 

StingrayOZ

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Ha, boy could you start rumors from that ...... A CEA Radar equipped evolved F105 with the AEGIS combat system as the next FFG

............... I am kidding
Ha. That's not quite what I've heard.

https://news.usni.org/2017/02/28/mc...te-program-wants-expand-designs-consideration

I would imagine a CEA radar, aegis, F-100 type frigate would be attractive to some, but I would have thought the US probably would not be that interested.Too much overlap. They also talk about displacement 4,500t?

Maybe a reconfigured Nansen sized would be more doable, half the size of a Burke, you could still fit a decent radar, missiles, ASW, a gun. Under half the crew of a Burke. You can distribute your fires are bit more. A cut down Nansen would be getting close to that much. But the Nansen would be a pretty compromised design, let alone a cut down one. Maybe better off starting with something fresh or something setout to be a frigate. F110 maybe?

Upped gun National security cutter? Seems to be simular size, smaller crew?
 

ASSAIL

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Retired Admiral Perry, now at GD Electric Boat discusses progress with the Virginia Class builds, the Columbia Class design, including the common missile module with the RN and UUVs.
In particular he talks about the labour hiring requirements for these huge programmes and it gives an indication of what will be required at a micro level for the future Australian SEA 1000 project.
A very interesting interview.

https://youtu.be/X-sGUIrGrnQ
 

ASSAIL

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colay1

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Navy ships are increasingly crammed with power-hungry mission systems and will become even more so once future lasers and railguns become standard kit. The Navy is pushing the Energy Magazine concept to realize the benefits of an electric fleet.


https://defensesystems.com/articles/2017/04/19/electricships.aspx

Navy’s Energy Magazine supports higher power demands on ships

The Navy is working to build more efficient electric ships by eliminating the need for most intermediary power systems and improving electric pulsed combat systems with the next generation Energy Magazine and Energy Magazine Mk II.

According to Steve Markle, Director of the Electric Ships Office, at the Navy League’s Sea Air and Space Exhibition, the Energy Magazine concept currently in development is being designed to solve two challenges facing the Navy: a demand for more dynamic power and a demand for higher power...

The final aspect of the updated electric ship is the actual power generator. The Advanced Power Generation Module (APGM) is in the early stages of study and prototype development, with study contracts currently being prepared, according to Markle. The system will be designed to use DC voltages and support randomly determined electric payloads as part of the Energy Magazine concept. Simulated testing is currently being performed by Sandia National Laboratories, and the next generation power generator is scheduled to enter the testing phase in FY23.

more...
 

colay1

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So why is this a problem for Boeing but not for it's rivals? If the Navy doesn't ask for the advanced capabilities on the ship-based weapon then offer them a simpler. cheaper Harpoon.

Boeing pulls Harpoon from US Navy missile competition

WASHINGTON – Citing continuing requirements changes that would mean giving ships a less-capable weapon than those carried by aircraft, Boeing said Tuesday it would drop out of a U.S. Navy effort to buy an over-the-horizon (OTH) cruise missile for littoral combat ships (LCS) and frigates.

Boeing’s decision to withdraw its widely-used Harpoon missile leaves the Raytheon/Kongsberg Naval Strike Missile (NSM) and Lockheed Martin Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) as the likely candidates in the OTH effort...

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CB90

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So why is this a problem for Boeing but not for it's rivals? If the Navy doesn't ask for the advanced capabilities on the ship-based weapon then offer them a simpler. cheaper Harpoon.
Harpoon is fundamentally different from NSM and LRASM.
Its main selling point is commonality with existing systems and Naval Aviation's short term solution.
If anything, Harpoon has to offer more advanced capabilities in order to compete with NSM and LRASM.

It's quite likely the requirements as written simply do not favor Harpoon, and they know it.
 
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