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Waylander

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Not only funds but lifes.

Imagine all the people which could have been protected by a functioning Iraqi army and police force.
Not to forget the things some of the former soldiers did after leaving the army and instead joining the rebells...

Is there a statistic about of there is any equipment left from the past which is in use now with the ne Iraqi army?
I mean when one has to ship AKs to Iraq I cannot imagine anything from the past is still used.
 
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eckherl

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Waylander said:
Not only funds but lifes.

Imagine all the people which could have been protected by a functioning Iraqi army and police force.
Not to forget the things some of the former soldiers did after leaving the army and instead joining the rebells...

Is there a statistic about of there is any equipment left from the past which is in use now with the ne Iraqi army?
I mean when one has to ship AKs to Iraq I cannot imagine anything from the past is still used.
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I agree, there was Iraqi soldiers who wanted to stay in uniform and we turned them away. I know some of the older Type series MBTs along with T-72s were able to be salvaged along with some of the BMPs and other land equipment, but yes they are having to also buy alot of new equipment from some of the eastern Europeans. Swerve brought up a good point of interest that it would be interesting to know the actual numbers, they are most likely very low due to the amount of equipment being purchased.
 
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No, the Taiwanese owner of the factory will say sorry, close the factory and open a new one in the next city... ;)
 
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kickars

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Since when this thread has became a China bashing thread???!!!:( Don't you guys feel strange that toys were made in China suddenly became a hot issues since this summer(2007)??? Mind you, China has been making toys for overseas market since the early 80s!!! THINK!!! :rolleyes:

It is all because of the exchange rate between USD and RMB! Since Chinese government doesn't want to increase the value of its RMB as quickly as the US and some of the other western governments want, then this childish picking and blaming became western countries' final and only solution to force China to act as western countries' wish on this ECONOMICAL issue.

Of course you guys would never think this. You just see us as enemies as always. And I'm sure my post will be deleted as soon as it's posted. Your China bashing posts will stay here till everyone gets bored of this. :(

I can't believe this! What have we done to deserve all this? If we Chinese see you westerners this way (what you westerners have done to us in the history), then I can't imagine what would happen? :confused:

I saw a thread on this forum about why do we fight. I didn't open that thread. Coz I don't see the point to discuss this kind of topic. Coz the answer is RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!:mad:
 
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kickars said:
Since when this thread has became a China bashing thread???!!!:( Don't you guys feel strange that toys were made in China suddenly became a hot issues since this summer(2007)??? Mind you, China has been making toys for overseas market since the early 80s!!! THINK!!! :rolleyes:

It is all because of the exchange rate between USD and RMB! Since Chinese government doesn't want to increase the value of its RMB as quickly as the US and some of the other western governments want, then this childish picking and blaming became western countries' final and only solution to force China to act as western countries' wish on this ECONOMICAL issue.

Of course you guys would never think this. You just see us as enemies as always. And I'm sure my post will be deleted as soon as it's posted. Your China bashing posts will stay here till everyone gets bored of this. :(

I can't believe this! What have we done to deserve all this? If we Chinese see you westerners this way (what you westerners have done to us in the history), then I can't imagine what would happen? :confused:

I saw a thread on this forum about why do we fight. I didn't open that thread. Coz I don't see the point to discuss this kind of topic. Coz the answer is RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!:mad:
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I do not see China as a enemy, just a country that has a passion for lead based paint and executing people for failure.
 
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kickars

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eckherl said:
I do not see China as a enemy, just a country that has a passion for lead based paint and executing people for failure.
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We have 1.3b people in China. Only very few people (maybe only less than 100 people in total) in the management level of those toy factories,who were and still are under the pressure of low costs from the western supermarkets and toy companies (ultimately western consumers) decide to use cheap paint (in this case lead based paint)!!!

So tell me, how could you say that you see China just as a country has a passion for lead based paint????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

So can I say US is just a country that has a passion for shooting students????!!!! NOOOO! I would never say that! Coz your country has done so much for this world for the past 100 years or so. The shootings we saw on news were just some crazy people who even hated their own people. They might be Americans. But they are not AMERICA!!!!
 
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Waylander

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Take it easy.
That was just some fun.
You take this much tooooo seriously.

And I can tell you, the experience of operating on the chinese market can be a little bit disturbing if you are not used to it... ;)
 
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eckherl

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kickars said:
We have 1.3b people in China. Only very few people (maybe only less than 100 people in total) in the management level of those toy factories,who were and still are under the pressure of low costs from the countries which consume those toys decide to use cheap (in this case lead based paint)!!!

So tell me, how could you say that you see China just as a country has a passion for lead based paint????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

So can I say US is just a country that has a passion for shooting students????!!!! NOOOO! I would never say that! Coz your country has done so much for the world for the past 100 years or so. The shootings we saw on news were just some crazy people who even hated their own people. They might be Americans. But they are not AMERICA!!!!
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My country has a passion for all kinds of bad things, but hey no one is perfect and we should always strive to make things better, China should be concerned also with the health effects of lead based paint on workers in these toy assembly facilities, maybe you can start a crusade and put together a team to go over there and give them a mind broadening session. As far as executions go I like what China does to drug dealers and wish that we would follow suite, this would eliminate one of those bad passions from my country. I hope you do not think that I am biased against China because I really am not. Now to get back on topic do you know if China is supplying any type of weapons systems to Iraq.
 
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kickars

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eckherl said:
My country has a passion for all kinds of bad things, but hey no one is perfect and we should always strive to make things better, China should be concerned also with the health effects of lead based paint on workers in these toy assembly facilities, maybe you can start a crusade and put together a team to go over there and give them a mind broadening session. As far as executions go I like what China does to drug dealers and wish that we would follow suite, this would eliminate one of those bad passions from my country. I hope you do not think that I am biased against China because I really am not. Now to get back on topic do you know if China is supplying any type of weapons systems to Iraq.
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From this month Chinese government has banned all lead based for exporting. So I really think the government has got the massage. Now let's wait and see if those factory bosses got the massage or not.

I much prefer this reply than the others. Coz I can see you are trying to raise a issue regarding to China, rather than being biased a country as a whole. I do appreciate your latest reply.

Some of the 'BMP1s' in Iraqi army are actually the Chinese Type-86. It hard to see the difference. I'm not sure about the guns though.
 
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