Unknown Iraqi Armor

[hisself]

I just uploaded two photos of an Iraqi tracked weapon. I believe that it is artillery, rather than a tank, but I could be wrong.

Can anybody identify it for me, please.

The pictures are (or will be when approved) in Home » World Armed Forces » Rest of the World » Asian Armed Forces » Middle East » ME_Army

Thanks,

 

[eckherl]

I just uploaded two photos of an Iraqi tracked weapon. I believe that it is artillery, rather than a tank, but I could be wrong.

Can anybody identify it for me, please.

The pictures are (or will be when approved) in Home » World Armed Forces » Rest of the World » Asian Armed Forces » Middle East » ME_Army

Thanks,

They are Russian 2S3 152mm self propelled howitzers, which Iraq used extensively.

 

[Sgt.Banes]

I just uploaded two photos of an Iraqi tracked weapon. I believe that it is artillery, rather than a tank, but I could be wrong.

Can anybody identify it for me, please.

The pictures are (or will be when approved) in Home » World Armed Forces » Rest of the World » Asian Armed Forces » Middle East » ME_Army

Thanks,

Yeah, those are just some old Soviet Howitzers. Not to mention you found these pictures on this site, and I don't believe they are classified as "Unknown Iraqi Armour".

 

[Khairul Alam]

yeah they are howitzers all right...but they surely dont seem to be in fighting shape!! they are probably remnants of the previous wars.

 

[eckherl]

Look at the second picture and you can see a projectile penetration point towards the rear of the turret.

 

[Manfred2]

Look at the second picture and you can see a projectile penetration point towards the rear of the turret.

A very small hole, a 50 cal. could have done that.
Covered with dirt... looks like a vehicle that was pulled out of it's own grave, like that Mig-25 from a while back

 

[grndpndr]

Interesting particularly to a military vehicle restoration outfit assuming any parts could be found for it.The turret hole does appear to be 12.7-14.5.
might have just buried it due to obsolescence and or functionally inoperative.
Iraq wasnt even inpossesion of steel recycling facilitys hearths etc to recylce such a substantial chunk of high quality steel or distance expense prohibitive?

 

[eckherl]

Interesting particularly to a military vehicle restoration outfit assuming any parts could be found for it.The turret hole does appear to be 12.7-14.5.
might have just buried it due to obsolescence and or functionally inoperative.
Iraq wasnt even inpossesion of steel recycling facilitys hearths etc to recylce such a substantial chunk of high quality steel or distance expense prohibitive?

Getting parts are really not too difficult, Russia still has this vehicle in it`s inventory. China has a copy of it also called the Type 83. Yes, 50 cal API will penetrate this vehicle.

 

[swerve]

Interesting particularly to a military vehicle restoration outfit assuming any parts could be found for it.The turret hole does appear to be 12.7-14.5.
might have just buried it due to obsolescence and or functionally inoperative.
Iraq wasnt even inpossesion of steel recycling facilitys hearths etc to recylce such a substantial chunk of high quality steel or distance expense prohibitive?

I don't think Iraq has the facilities. Iran does, is right next door, & a large proportion of the old Iraqi army inventory of AFVs & artillery, including most of the casualties of 2003, is reported to have been carted off to feed Iranian steel mills. Looks as if they missed some.

 

[eckherl]

I don't think Iraq has the facilities. Iran does, is right next door, & a large proportion of the old Iraqi army inventory of AFVs & artillery, including most of the casualties of 2003, is reported to have been carted off to feed Iranian steel mills. Looks as if they missed some.

That is not the case with all vehicles that have battlefield damage, if they can pull servicable parts off or get a vehicle back in running order this is what they are doing, they do have facilities to refurbish these vehicles, provided by the U.S. The artillery piece pictured should not be that big of a issue to get back in running order.

 

[Sgt.Banes]

Getting parts are really not too difficult, Russia still has this vehicle in it`s inventory. China has a copy of it also called the Type 83. Yes, 50 cal API will penetrate this vehicle.

To some degree China makes (rips off) most Soviet and Russian Federation, so they're lousy with parts for almost any Russian military vehicle.

 

[eckherl]

To some degree China makes (rips off) most Soviet and Russian Federation, so they're lousy with parts for almost any Russian military vehicle.

nfloorl: You may be in for it now. That may be the case, but Iraq did recieve so called vehicle upgrades and parts from China.

 

[swerve]

That is not the case with all vehicles that have battlefield damage, if they can pull servicable parts off or get a vehicle back in running order this is what they are doing, they do have facilities to refurbish these vehicles, provided by the U.S. The artillery piece pictured should not be that big of a issue to get back in running order.

I'd like to know how many of the pre-2003 AFV & artillery stock hasn't been scrapped, & how much is repairable, but it seems hard to get hold of any numbers. Sometimes, I think nobody is counting. Ah well.

 

[Sgt.Banes]

nfloorl: You may be in for it now. That may be the case, but Iraq did recieve so called vehicle upgrades and parts from China.

I'm just giving out Kool-Aid.

Again China is the King of Military Counterfeiting, I mean China makes some of Russia's uniforms and insignia. That's like a Made in China American flag.

 

[Waylander]

I'd like to know how many of the pre-2003 AFV & artillery stock hasn't been scrapped, & how much is repairable, but it seems hard to get hold of any numbers. Sometimes, I think nobody is counting. Ah well.

In the end it may be much easier to purchase some more ore less operational vehicles and equipment from eastern europe and start completely new than to collect all the more or less broken junk lying around in Iraq and try to build an arym out of it.

As for the counting.
Remember the hundreds of thousands of small arms delivered by the US which are missing...

 

[eckherl]

I'm just giving out Kool-Aid.

Again China is the King of Military Counterfeiting, I mean China makes some of Russia's uniforms and insignia. That's like Made in China American flag.

I wonder how much of Russia`s uniform buttons and insignia contain lead based paint.:unknown

 

[grndpndr]

with the price of obsolescent chin and russ functioning equipment its quite likely the cost of refurbishing this equipment prohibitive compared to purchasing working examples.Still seems wastefull unless the vehicle was just plain scrap as far as further utility was concerened w/o major overhaul in which case worse than useless.Obviously it had either major problems or ws in danger of being captured?

 

[swerve]

with the price of obsolescent chin and russ functioning equipment its quite likely the cost of refurbishing this equipment prohibitive compared to purchasing working examples.Still seems wastefull unless the vehicle was just plain scrap as far as further utility was concerened w/o major overhaul in which case worse than useless.Obviously it had either major problems or ws in danger of being captured?

When the Iraqi army was dissolved by the US administration, all the guards, repair crews - everyone - was sacked. The sacked soldiers took what was portable & either useful or saleable, & left the rest to rust.

Yes, very wasteful. But that's what the US administration of Iraq in 2003 was like.

 

[merocaine]

I wonder how much of Russia`s uniform buttons and insignia contain lead based paint.

Ha Ha, as long as the recruits arent chewing on them they should be Ok!

 

[eckherl]

When the Iraqi army was dissolved by the US administration, all the guards, repair crews - everyone - was sacked. The sacked soldiers took what was portable & either useful or saleable, & left the rest to rust.

Yes, very wasteful. But that's what the US administration of Iraq in 2003 was like.

A very big blunder on the U.S part. one could only amagine the additional amount of funds that we wasted and the Iraqis to get this corrected and up and running again.