UK Military Vehicle Purchases for Iraq / Afghanistan
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If these three were selected, does any of you guys know from what group these were down-selected? If you all think Boxer will not make it, why then is it in this group? To make it look as if they might choose it?
I don't see how they can prefer the Piranha, practicaly an old design with a new face and some slap-on armour, before the Patria AMV. Don't you guys think this Finish design might have been the best choise? If not, why?
If these three were selected, does any of you guys know from what group these were down-selected? If you all think Boxer will not make it, why then is it in this group? To make it look as if they might choose it?
I don't see how they can prefer the Piranha, practicaly an old design with a new face and some slap-on armour, before the Patria AMV. Don't you guys think this Finish design might have been the best choise? If not, why?
Such naivety. It's sweet.
Piranha IV is marketed in certain countries - including the UK - by BAe, & would be built by BAe if selected by the British army. Now do you see why it was shortlisted?
You compare an armoured car with an advanced wheeled APC/IFV?
That's not really realistic.
And a Piranha III or IV still offers a nice package from where you can choose your own configuration and is for sure competitive with everything else on wheels.
That's not really realistic.
And a Piranha III or IV still offers a nice package from where you can choose your own configuration and is for sure competitive with everything else on wheels.
The down-select came from a group that included the Italian Cantauro IFV version, the Finnish Patria AMV and the diesel/transmission powered SEP not the Diesel-electric-drive hybrid version.
The Italian vehicle was probably not chosen due to cost, the AMV due to cost and/or perceived lack-of-same protection levels as the three finalists, and SEP because its still a developmental-only prototype so "risk" of cost-blowout and schedule delays to delivery have to be higher (counter-pointed by the fact first British Army vehicle delivery is NOT expected until 2011-2012 so schedule is not a facet here in my opinion).
The GD LAV design is almost certainly LAV IV not LAV III as IV has been widely phtographed recently on UK trials.
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The ongoing Afghan / Iraq conflicts have finally forced the MOD to change up a gear. Trails will begin in November, with the finalist sent for further testing (Bowman) next year. About bloody time too!
I place my bets on Boxer (UK having already spent money on the project), it offers an easily adaptable (command, personnel, medical) package with a very strong pedigree.
Also Watchkeeper has finally been signed off (see below), which will, with the addition of numerous hand-launched UAV's, PreditorB and ASTOR coming on line, should significantly boost the UK's surveillance abilities.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2007/06/uk-gives-green-light-to-watchkeeper-uav/index.php#more
I place my bets on Boxer (UK having already spent money on the project), it offers an easily adaptable (command, personnel, medical) package with a very strong pedigree.
Also Watchkeeper has finally been signed off (see below), which will, with the addition of numerous hand-launched UAV's, PreditorB and ASTOR coming on line, should significantly boost the UK's surveillance abilities.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2007/06/uk-gives-green-light-to-watchkeeper-uav/index.php#more
so you can use the akrep or the cobra as an IFV i seen some cobras with
a turreted version of the 50cals for the cobra or akrep you dont have to get out of the hatch just to man the gun
The Akrep & Cobra are light armoured vehicles, in a different league from the wheeled IFVs the UK is looking at.
Loaded, Cobra weighs 6 tons. Akrep weighs 3.6 tons - similar to the French VBL.
Boxer weighs 25 tons empty, 33 tons fully loaded. It has twice as many wheels as Akrep or Cobra. It has much greater armour protection. VBCI & Piranha are slightly lighter, but only slightly.
Akrep or Cobra seem to be decent vehicles, but of a completely different class. If you want a Turkish-built wheeled IFV, look at Yavuz. That's in the Boxer/VBCI/Piranha IV class.
Here - look 'em all up -
http://www.otokar.com.tr/en/products/product_category.aspx?kategori=10
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The following shows the new supacat destined for Afghanistan for use by infantry units for long range patrols. The UK SAS are replacing their Landrover 'pinkies' with the same vehicle and I understand SASR are testing it to replace their six wheelers.
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/D...lVehiclesWillGiveTroopsEnhancedCapability.htm
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/D...lVehiclesWillGiveTroopsEnhancedCapability.htm
SASR have named theirs the "Nary" after an SASR trooper ...
Both types will most likely be procured so the "tradition" of 6x6's in the SASR will be maintained. Take a look at this link from Supacat UK (notice the comment saying "built under licence from LM!) you'll see in the HMT 6x6 section very nice albeit asmall images of the 6x6 equivalent of the 4x4 LRRP vehicles................
http://www.supacat.com/supacat_products_hmt400.htm
Regards,
BUG
http://www.supacat.com/supacat_products_hmt400.htm
Regards,
BUG
Bushmasters for US?
A small article in the paper version of todays Telegraph made mention of the fact that there might be an imminent deal with one of the US forces (army presumably) for them to purchase up to 1500 Oshkosh produced Bushmasters.
Either page 7 or 9, about 7 lines worth. I can't find any mention on their web based version (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/) and no other paper is running with the story, nor anything in google news. So I'm skeptical ..
Somehow the paper saw it more newsworthy to devote almost an entire page to Paris Hilton's release from jail!!
sheesh
rb
A small article in the paper version of todays Telegraph made mention of the fact that there might be an imminent deal with one of the US forces (army presumably) for them to purchase up to 1500 Oshkosh produced Bushmasters.
Either page 7 or 9, about 7 lines worth. I can't find any mention on their web based version (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/) and no other paper is running with the story, nor anything in google news. So I'm skeptical ..
Somehow the paper saw it more newsworthy to devote almost an entire page to Paris Hilton's release from jail!!
sheesh
rb
Its in the ABC:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/29/1965632.htm?section=justin
as well as
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21986667-953,00.html
I attended a DFAT/Austrade meeting some 6 months ago where they indicated that another 150 have been sold to an ex WARPAC country - still no public news on that yet. :unknown
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The attached article looks at the pros and cons of soft-skin open vehicles fitted with increased fire-power vs. enclosed armoured wheeled vehicles and how both have there uses on the battle-field.
The same article also provides a very interesting link to Canadian experiences using main-battle tanks in Afghanistan, reinforcing their decision to drop the idea of a wheeled tank-destroyer and instead buy 2nd-hand Leopard II's.
Funny how events turn full-circle - the tracked main-battle tank still proves an indispensable asset in the harshest of conditions.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...d-130-supacat-mwmik-patrol-vehicles/index.php
The same article also provides a very interesting link to Canadian experiences using main-battle tanks in Afghanistan, reinforcing their decision to drop the idea of a wheeled tank-destroyer and instead buy 2nd-hand Leopard II's.
Funny how events turn full-circle - the tracked main-battle tank still proves an indispensable asset in the harshest of conditions.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...d-130-supacat-mwmik-patrol-vehicles/index.php
Great news if it is true. The article suggests that some of the Bushmasters will be built in Bendigo. I wonder how many?
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On a not unrelated topic did anyone take any photos at the defence vehicle dynamics show at Milbrook this week ? What was there that was new ?
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Er, an SASR Warrant Officer anyway...
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The new Tellar vehicle for the Royal Engineers, a new Land Rover Defender 6x6, a new PPV vehicle design (not sure if it was actually there) from S. McNeillie & Son and then I'd imagine the "known" new vehicles such as the Supacat WMIK, the Pinzgauer PPV Vector, the iirc Force Protection Mastiff, FV432 Bulldog upgrade and many other vehicles.