U.S. spy plane crashes in Pakistan

[srirangan]

http://www.deepikaglobal.com/ENG4_sub.asp?ccode=ENG4&newscode=74368

U.S. spy plane crashes near base in Pakistan
MULTAN, Pakistan, Oct 3 (Reuters) A pilotless U.S. spy plane crashed near its military base in southern Pakistan today but there were no casualties or damage, police said.

The plane was returning from Afghanistan to a U.S. base in the small southern city of Jacobabad in Pakistan when it crashed at about 9:45 a.m. (0445 GMT), a few km (miles) outside the city in open fields, police and residents said.

The cause of the crash was not immediately known.

Since late 2001, Pakistan has made a few bases available to the U.S. military for logistics support for its war against Islamic militants in neighbouring Afghanistan.

A Pakistani official, who asked not to be named, said three U.S. spy planes had crashed near Jacobabad this year alone.

 

[srirangan]

wow, the 3rd US spy plane crash this year.. :eek

 

[gf0012-aust]

I saw some mission footage of one trawling around in Afghanistan the other week, absolutely amazing video.

They can afford to lose a $250k UAV rather than a $40m surveillance platform. If they are data linked in real time, them it doesn't matter if the UAV crashes as they still have the footage.

The new ones I saw last week are using small jet engines the size of a 750ml sized drink bottle.

 

[berry580]

Can the Pakis capture the UAV and reverse engineer it? Since the UAV is used by Americans themselves, so you can reverse engineer it easily since unlike exported weapon systems, there shouldn't be any traps.

 

[srirangan]

Let me get this straight, did you say you wanted Pakistan to --steal-- the debris of the crashed USAF UAV?

 

[SABRE]

Let me get this straight, did you say you wanted Pakistan to --steal-- the debris of the crashed USAF UAV?

We stole a cruise missile. Its still with us. I bet the cruise missile we r going to test is going to be similar to TomaHawk.

Anyways Pakistani UAVs them selves r not to bad. Army, Navy & Airforce have their own versions. Navy's version is called AbaBeel, other 2 I dont know. For some reason US army purchased UAVs from Pakistan when they went into Afghanistan. They got interested in them in IDEAS2002. So I guess if USA bought them, they are not too bad.

We keep what we capture. We have USA's tomaHawk. We have Afghans Su fighters & we have IAF Gnat. N many more things. They are all in workable conditions. So if USA's UAV fells into Pakistan, its ours. Its gone now for get about it. thats it, we r not giving back.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Some of you guys crack me up. You openly talk about stealing other countrys technology, and then you get offended when they are not keen on selling you things... gee. You expect them to be generous to you, but want to abuse them at the same time?

Life is pretty simple, if you hate someone that much, don't do business with them at all. Buy the goods elsewhere and be prepared to be on the slower technology curve.

But don't expect them to give you their best gear when you go through your intermittent bouts of friendship.

 

[srirangan]

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[SABRE]

Some of you guys crack me up. You openly talk about stealing other countrys technology, and then you get offended when they are not keen on selling you things... gee. You expect them to be generous to you, but want to abuse them at the same time?

Life is pretty simple, if you hate someone that much, don't do business with them at all. Buy the goods elsewhere and be prepared to be on the slower technology curve.

But don't expect them to give you their best gear when you go through your intermittent bouts of friendship.

What can I say. We have a Habit :

Anyways. USA if USA had wanted TomaHawl real badly n had pressurized us we would have given it back. But they dint. So may be they wanted us to have it. Y would they fire TomaHawk where it shouldnt be???

Anyways we dont hate USA, if thats what u mean. We only hate americans who support Israel over every thing & those who make policies against us. In short words we hate Democrates.
Other wise we have nothing against USA, not at all. Not even PAkistani molahs have any thing against USA. They have always spoke against Israel only. Few times against India when Pakistan goes to war with them. But thats it.
We protested Bush over Afghanistan n Iraq but every one is hush hush now. If it was Clinton, there wouldnt have hush. If it was Clinton it would have been a different story.

Now GF tell me. U find some thing in Australia. Suppose some kind of weapon, u ppl have never seen before. What u do with it? Sink it in sea or take it to ur labs n open it up. Read it n if u like it, copy it.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Now GF tell me. U find some thing in Australia. Suppose some kind of weapon, u ppl have never seen before. What u do with it? Sink it in sea or take it to ur labs n open it up. Read it n if u like it, copy it.

err, we'd actually give it back as per international obligations.

a few things wrong with some of the assumptions.

any missile that is flown over another countries airspace without permission is an act of war, thus any being flown over have tacit approval by the govt. the fact that the missile was going to afghanistan means that it was cleared to do so, otherwise it would be rightfully considered an act of war - now - amongst the many vocal politicians in your country who ARE anti-US, did any of them complain about unauthorised overflights? The answer is no - the reason is because Musharraf gave approval. ipso facto, when the missile landed, under the conventions it should have been sent back to the owner. That is the right and legally compelled response.

btw, if a missile was fired across australian airspace and it was from an ally, then we would send it back. We have a common agreement signed between the US, UK, France, UK, Germany and Canada making it so. That was setup in circa 1962. Thus, I assume that as Musharaff sees Pakistan as a US ally on this issue, that as an ally, you return equipment - not hock it off to their notional military competitor?

Saying that you stole a missile or an F-16 is one of those reasons where you don't inspire confidence in the rules of international codes of conduct wrt to weapons systems. By bragging about it, all you reinforce is that equipment will be disassembled and not dealt within the normal codes of commercial - let alone military and diplomatic conduct.

 

[adsH]

The new ones I saw last week are using small jet engines the size of a 750ml sized drink bottle.

gass turbine engines my friend is a Jet engine geek his dad works in a plant (near midlands) where they make Jet parts. so i guess he told me too look up these jet engines, they are amazing. apparently you can build them your self !!

 

[gf0012-aust]

The new ones I saw last week are using small jet engines the size of a 750ml sized drink bottle.

gass turbine engines my friend is a Jet engine geek his dad works in a plant (near midlands) where they make Jet parts. so i guess he told me too look up these jet engines, they are amazing. apparently you can build them your self !!

They're really quite amazing to see. The flight handling of these things is just incredible. Unmanned combat is getting closer than we realise, and no pilot will be able to outmanouvre these aircraft once they are developed.

There will be a few unhappy jet fighter jockeys within a generation.

 

[lamdacore]

GF, i think you are right about what people post at times!. I believe i read some bull**** in earlier post such as:

*stealing tomahawks

This was not accepted by the Pakistanis so how can some people really believe it really happened? :?

*Also, I am against the idea of reverse engineering someone else's product. Why reverse engineer a UAV when Pakistan can easily make them and their working on them even now. Its just stupid to say such ridiculous things at times! :mad

And GF, of course, the manouvrability of these UAVs is indeed amazing. It might be possible that we won't need pilots in the future. Think about it, they'll look like a cloud of maggots when they attack at once!! : :

 

[gf0012-aust]

Think about it, they'll look like a cloud of maggots when they attack at once!! : :

And with that pleasant thought I will leave you good gentleman and get myself to bed.

It's 4am here and I have to pack to go overseas again in a few more days!

I'm off to look at some tank upgrades in eastern europe!

cheers.

 

[adsH]

GF i think the next gen fighters are going to UAV with Networked Virtual reality systems Control systems. Just imagine the potential!! you have these things up in air running around carrying out maneuvers probably 10 times better then a man in the air risk factor. and-they would reduce operational cost training maintenance and and logistics costs, they would also be able to maintain a "man in the loop factor"
i think the UK is aiming to make the most of its UAV air defense, you might know abit more then i would but i think they're building a UAV based Air defense systems.

 

[SABRE]

GF, i think you are right about what people post at times!. I believe i read some bull**** in earlier post such as:

*stealing tomahawks

This was not accepted by the Pakistanis so how can some people really believe it really happened? :?

This link may not prove that the cruise missile is still with Pakistan but proves it did land here:

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9808/24/pakistan.missile.01/

There is no report on weather the missile was returned from either side.
So if we still have it, we might have studied it & learned to make one of our own. May be u can find specs of PAk's cruise missile with Tomahawks specs n compare them. If they r similar than Pak copied tomahawk, if not, than I ll be more happy tht Pak achieved it on its own. I ll be happier more than any one here on this fiorum.

GF i think the next gen fighters are going to UAV with Networked Virtual reality systems Control systems. Just imagine the potential!! you have these things up in air running around carrying out maneuvers probably 10 times better then a man in the air risk factor. and-they would reduce operational cost training maintenance and and logistics costs, they would also be able to maintain a "man in the loop factor"
i think the UK is aiming to make the most of its UAV air defense, you might know abit more then i would but i think they're building a UAV based Air defense systems.

Few days back on discovery channel they were showing next Gen fighter jets. They also showed some of the USAF UAVs. USAF UAVs have already been tested in war scenerio in Afghanistan where one of the UAV took out a Taliban tank. Well taliban tanks were very old n couldnt even stand small attacks but still UAV did its job.
But the most beautiful thing abt USAF UAV is that they can fly along with F-22. They showed UAVs flying with F-22 in a line up (1 F-22, 6 UAVs). UAVs will give great support to F-22s n other jets. While F-22 is busy fighting in air these UAVs can continue firing n bombing on the ground. All the UAVs following F-22 were controllable from F-22 as well as the groun.

So how do u put this scenerio? F-22 n UAVS or any other Jet with UAVs. Some thing small like UAV along with some thing like F-22 can irritate the hell out of enemy fighters.

 

[lamdacore]

Originally posted by lamdacore:
GF, i think you are right about what people post at times!. I believe i read some bull**** in earlier post such as:

*stealing tomahawks

This was not accepted by the Pakistanis so how can some people really believe it really happened?



This link may not prove that the cruise missile is still with Pakistan but proves it did land here:

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9808/24/pakistan.missile.01/

There is no report on weather the missile was returned from either side.
So if we still have it, we might have studied it & learned to make one of our own. May be u can find specs of PAk's cruise missile with Tomahawks specs n compare them. If they r similar than Pak copied tomahawk, if not, than I ll be more happy tht Pak achieved it on its own. I ll be happier more than any one here on this fiorum.

I wonder why ure writing all that!!?? Read your first post and you will find that you said that pakistan has the US's tomahawk cruise missile and would not give it back at all. What bul****. Now you change your words cause you realise your mistake in the link your posting.

Also, who declared that Pakistan has made its own cruise missile. I'm not aware of it, so how 'bout bringing it to my knowledge. Don't post unnecessary things because it will just delude people.

I suggest you should read your sources first and then post opinions and remarks!



Now back to the UAV, I was wondering if i could obtain one of those things. Any idea how, from where, and how much it could cost me???? :

 

[highsea]

Now back to the UAV, I was wondering if i could obtain one of those things. Any idea how, from where, and how much it could cost me???? :

We also used one to take out a couple of al-Qaeda guys in Yemen. So at least as far as the general public knows, we have made at least two offensive strikes with Predators.

You want yours with hellfires or without? :

 

[SABRE]

Originally posted by lamdacore:
GF, i think you are right about what people post at times!. I believe i read some bull**** in earlier post such as:

*stealing tomahawks

This was not accepted by the Pakistanis so how can some people really believe it really happened?



This link may not prove that the cruise missile is still with Pakistan but proves it did land here:

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9808/24/pakistan.missile.01/

There is no report on weather the missile was returned from either side.
So if we still have it, we might have studied it & learned to make one of our own. May be u can find specs of PAk's cruise missile with Tomahawks specs n compare them. If they r similar than Pak copied tomahawk, if not, than I ll be more happy tht Pak achieved it on its own. I ll be happier more than any one here on this fiorum.

I wonder why ure writing all that!!?? Read your first post and you will find that you said that pakistan has the US's tomahawk cruise missile and would not give it back at all. What bul****. Now you change your words cause you realise your mistake in the link your posting.

Also, who declared that Pakistan has made its own cruise missile. I'm not aware of it, so how 'bout bringing it to my knowledge. Don't post unnecessary things because it will just delude people.

I suggest you should read your sources first and then post opinions and remarks!



Now back to the UAV, I was wondering if i could obtain one of those things. Any idea how, from where, and how much it could cost me???? :

M not changing my mind. We have two minds in the ruling section, both speek different words. When Tomahawk Landed in Pakistan, Nawaz Sharif the than PM said it would be returned to USA. At the same time army inteligence or the famous ISI chief said "Not a Chance". No there is no Nawaz Sharif & ISI is enjoying the army rule. It has been long since we took tomahawk & there has been no move on it either by USA & Pakistan. All m doing is speeking from both the politition & ISI point of view. M not changing my views, my views r with ISI on this.
Secondly, in the post u have quoted I am refering to the Proof tht Tomahawl landed in Pakistan not if it was returned. Here m only talkin about tomahwak being crashed into Pak. It is actualy reply lamdacore's post that Pak deny's taking tomahawk..
About Pakistan's cruise missile project. I dont know much. I read it here on DT some times back. MAy be some one else can give u more info on that.
NOW Y M I DISCUSSING TOMAHAWKS, I KNOW BULL ABOUT MISSILES, EXCEPT FOR WHAT PAK HAS. sorry if had miss led u Highsea.

About buying UAVs, what the hell r u going to do with it. Spy on ur neighbour! It cerainly doesnt catch u a fish.
: I dont know from where u can buy it n cant say if it is allowed to civilians but the about the cost, well I only knw tht the $dollar unit is in thousands. So it may be cheap to some. Its not like a fighter jet so they dnt come in $dollar unit of millions.
Try contacting Lockheed-Martin on this.

 

[VICTORA1]

Guys and GF,
The flight of the tomahawk over its territory was unknown to pakistan---for that reason Gen Anthony Zinni was having dinner with his pakistani counterpart in pakistan if things went side ways, he would be in place to explain the overflight.

After checking the path of the overflight the U S had determined that pakistan didnot have enough assets to detect the flight of those cruise missiles and they were right but just to play it safe they sent the general to calm the fears if---. Well I guess, for using the air space without permission, they let us keep the debris. Thank you.

Now, one of you guys mentioned---gf what would the australians do if something like that happened. Return it indeed----after I have looked it up through and through, taken pictures, videos, and samples of the material, checked out the technology if it is worth keeping for the trouble it would cause.