Turkey buying 32 Mi-28N's
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Aviation International marked - is very very very complicated thing. Once you are in - you are in. Soviet Union (read Russia) lost this marked in the beginning of 90s. Since that only India Vietnam and Cuba (and might be some other country) were REALLY buying Russian military aviation equipment. Cuba - only two Il-96 "president version" which has some military-type equipment in it.
It's very unlikely that Turkey would buy anything (even Kalashnikov guns) from Russia. It's NATO. And NATO, like any other organizations, has it's own regulation.
I'll give you an example.
Before the withdrawal of it's two military bases from Georgia just few years ago Russia offered to Georgia to buy the T-72 tanks which were based at these two bases. Any number. Of course, Georgia declined. Instead, it bought from Czech Republic Russian-made much older T-55 tanks!!! And it was much more expensive!!! But...it was from the country who was going to be in NATO very soon. By the way, one of those T-55 was recently shown on TV on CNN as "Russian invader" during the conflict in August, 2008. :unknown
It's politics, guys. Neither Ka-50(52), nor Mi-28 would likely be bought by NATO. Holliwood could by one very cheap Mi-8 for the new movie. But they would instead use their old Apache AH-64 and put a big red star on the body to make sure that everybody understand that this is indeed a Russian...
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More ridiculous garbage. Off the top of my head Russia has now sold planes to China, India, Venezuela, Vietnam, Indonesia, and Algeria. And that's just military contracts. Cuba is not a major aviation market, this you are right about, but in addition to the Il-96, they've also purchased a number of Tu-204 airliners.
3-4 of Tu-204 isn't a big deal. Those are first ever '204/214 sold outside of Russia. You can also count them in Russia with your hands. Keep in mind that Airbus and Boeing make about 1 plane a day each!
Venezuela can become a good potential buyer for Russia. Vietnam doesn't have $ to pay for the top technology. China - there you are. Su-33 are already there...The only one thing that bothers Russians - China copys everything and they learn very very fast. And they don't care about copyright.
Slightly contradictory. First you say these are the first Tu-204 sold outside of Russia, then you say it's not a big deal. Second off you claimed that the ONLY thing Cuba bought were a couple of Il-96. Now you change your tune. Not indications of an intelligent debate.
Vietnam doesn't have the $? Vietnam is one of the rapidly growing asian economies, alongside China. Vietnam already bought and paid for top technology, in the form of S-300 units, and Su-27 and Su-30 fighters.
China has not bought any Su-33. They bought ~100 Su-27SK assembled under license in China, and around 76 Su-30MKK/MK2 bought straight out from Russia. Those are major aviation contracts. But my point stands, you were wrong in labeling China Cuba and Vietnam as the only buyer of Russian aero-space production. You were wrong in claiming that Russian aerospace production is in capable of competing successfully on the global market. This has gone fairly far off topic. If you want to continue this debate take it to the Future of the Russian Military thread in the General Defense forum, and make sure you know what you're talking about.
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Greece bought a big order of BMP-3M's as well as some 6 or so large landing craft from Russia recently - they're a NATO member as far as I know...
Turkey bought a big order of Kornet anti-tank missiles as well, if I remember correctly.
Also pretty sure I remember something about them co-developing a version of S-400 system(?)
A number of the eastern european countries that are now NATO members also get quite a bit of stuff, as well as getting older stuff upgraded...
Turkey bought a big order of Kornet anti-tank missiles as well, if I remember correctly.
Also pretty sure I remember something about them co-developing a version of S-400 system(?)
A number of the eastern european countries that are now NATO members also get quite a bit of stuff, as well as getting older stuff upgraded...
Russian seem start get back their market. Algeria, Libya, Syria, Vietnam, PRC, India, Iran, ex-CIS etc.
Futher more, they also start dealing with non regular customer such as Greece (BMP-3 & S-300PMU), South Korea, Malaysia (Su-30MKM & Iglas MANPADS), Venezuela (Su-30MKV, Mi-17, Mi-28N & AK-47), Brazil (partnehship in PAK FA), UAE (BMP-3), Jordan (Il-76MD & Mi-17) even Arab Saudi (Mi-17, Mi-35 & T-90).
Some nation also being eveluate Russian asset to replace their aging asset.
Futher more, they also start dealing with non regular customer such as Greece (BMP-3 & S-300PMU), South Korea, Malaysia (Su-30MKM & Iglas MANPADS), Venezuela (Su-30MKV, Mi-17, Mi-28N & AK-47), Brazil (partnehship in PAK FA), UAE (BMP-3), Jordan (Il-76MD & Mi-17) even Arab Saudi (Mi-17, Mi-35 & T-90).
Some nation also being eveluate Russian asset to replace their aging asset.
Brazil has observer status in the PAK-FA program. What this means, none of us know.
Brazil involvement in PAK-FA not yet fully confirm nor cancel but the negotiation still on-going since Brazil listed the PAK-FA project as a secondary choice of future choice for their FX programme.
If Brazil agreed to joining PAK-FA, it's will benefit both side especially for Embraer & Sukhoi in term of technology transfer and material.
If Brazil agreed to joining PAK-FA, it's will benefit both side especially for Embraer & Sukhoi in term of technology transfer and material.
Lenta.ru just ran the Mi-28 purchase by Turkey story. http://lenta.ru/news/2008/12/22/mi28/
They're quoting RIA Novosti and unidentified Turkish media sources. It also however mentions that Rosoboroneksport declined to comment, and an unnamed military-diplomatic source said that the deal is unlikely, and that no formal request has been made by Turkey.
They're quoting RIA Novosti and unidentified Turkish media sources. It also however mentions that Rosoboroneksport declined to comment, and an unnamed military-diplomatic source said that the deal is unlikely, and that no formal request has been made by Turkey.
Quite possible. We have to take into account that the MoD may have bought up most of the production slots. Given that 1) serial production doesn't seem to have started and 2) the MoD wants to buy fairly notable quantities over the next few years, it does seem unlikely that a major export contract will be signed. I know for example the Iskander and S-400 systems are currently not offered for export because the MoD bought all the production for the next iirc 3 years.
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Another article this time claiming that the Turkish MoD has opened negotiations about purchasing at least 12 Mi-28N as a stop-gap measure due to problems with the Cobra fleet.
There's a lot of smoke on this subject, lets see if we can find the fire.
EDIT:http://lenta.ru/news/2009/06/09/helicopters/
Lenta.ru ran the article, specifying that negotiations have been underway since late 2008, but that Rosoboroneksport has still declined to comment.
Another article this time claiming that the Turkish MoD has opened negotiations about purchasing at least 12 Mi-28N as a stop-gap measure due to problems with the Cobra fleet.
There's a lot of smoke on this subject, lets see if we can find the fire.
EDIT:http://lenta.ru/news/2009/06/09/helicopters/
Lenta.ru ran the article, specifying that negotiations have been underway since late 2008, but that Rosoboroneksport has still declined to comment.