If it happened in the Sargasso Sea, wich is farther south, it wouldn't be "near Newfoundland". There could be other crashes of NAF TU-95s, not listed in the site, but I was unable to find it out on the Net, both in Russian and English. The recon Bear off US E.Coast most probably was one of the NAF variants then in use:
Tu95 crash in August 1976 in Sargasso sea
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I also think that the US could have tried to salvage the wreckage, or at least inspect it, as was done with other sunken subs/planes before. Anyways, 230 miles off Newfoundland is not "near" Newfoundland.
During intercepts by US fighters either one could have lost contol in the turbulence, even without reckless flying. Collisions happened in close formations before. I suspect that both sides know more but don't want to stirr things up, for reasons known only to themselves. Hopefully we will find out what had happened there soon enough!
During intercepts by US fighters either one could have lost contol in the turbulence, even without reckless flying. Collisions happened in close formations before. I suspect that both sides know more but don't want to stirr things up, for reasons known only to themselves. Hopefully we will find out what had happened there soon enough!
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actually it's more like the other way around. The USSR. North Korea and China IIRC have shot down over 53 aircraft in "non combatant" situations since the end of WW2 to present.
There was a site which was a memorial to all US aircrew lost in cold war incidents and detailed all the events, but I no longer have it saved.
This is the article I was talking about. I think it makes sense if more US planes were shot, because US were doing a lot more Reccon mission close to Soviet Border during the Cold war, plus many of these planes that were shot down, were actually on reccon mission as admitted by US.
http://air-combat.suite101.com/article.cfm/soviet_and_us_air_combat_19501991
http://air-combat.suite101.com/article.cfm/soviet_and_us_air_combat_19501991
There is a very [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Misfortune-Washingtons-Betrayal-American/dp/0915765837"]good book [/ame]on the subject of the US-FSU Cold War casualties.
I also remember "Wings" documentary on the Discovery channel- it mentioned that "after a unit of new MiG-31s was sent to Kamchatka, the number of recon flights near Far East Soviet airspace reduced drasticly". AFAIK, the Soviet recon aircraft didn't come as close to the US airspace as the American ones came to the FSU airspace.
I also remember "Wings" documentary on the Discovery channel- it mentioned that "after a unit of new MiG-31s was sent to Kamchatka, the number of recon flights near Far East Soviet airspace reduced drasticly". AFAIK, the Soviet recon aircraft didn't come as close to the US airspace as the American ones came to the FSU airspace.
Wings is not exactly a useful reference - it's a video version of Wikipedia at a QA level.
The frequency of US ferret runs and overflights is directly linked to technology shifts in the US
ie post ww2 to 1948 was using B45 Tornados - awful tech, but useful until the russians got their Nene modified jets in the air
1948-53 it was via the RAF using EE canberras - and then modified hi-alt canberras as the soviets couldn't reach them. so they went lo alt and then high alt within 5 years
1954-59 the US used modified licences built canberras - again hi-alt mods
also the use of U2's as a purpose built hi-alt solution. the first sub-atmospheric overflights
1959 was the start of mach 3 overflights to counter russian GBAD after Powers was shot down. Never intercepted once
in 1972 hi-speed overflights over russia were pulled as keyhole and its brethren came into play. US hi-speed overflights were restricted to Vietnam AO
basically every mission after the late 70's was a satellite job. reason? 10 times the coverage in longer pass and continuous overlap available if the constellation was timed.
the Mig31 never impacted upon overflights as the US had made the decision years before (a decade before) to run with satellites where the images were easier to take, pilots were not at risk, and where more extensive footage was able to be harvested.
so, Wings is way off track (by nearly 10-15 years)
They were talking not about overflights, but EP-3 South China Sea- style snooping by RC-135, and other types. In [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Flights-Americas-Secret-Against/dp/0891417680/ref=sr_1_3/186-2963326-2041134?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228696545&sr=1-3"]another book[/ame], it says that after the U-2 shutdown all deliberate oveflights of the USSR stopped, but recon flights around the perimeter continued and in fact, as I recall, increased. Sat. coverage is not always good enough, and the Soviets changed their routine while they were known to be passing overhead.
More info. on casualties here-
http://www.larrytart.com/faq07.html
More info. on casualties here-
http://www.larrytart.com/faq07.html
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How about reading my comments properly?
- Overflights by manned aircraft over Russian territory finished in the early 70's
- Manned flights were then conducted using different tech (racetrack harvests) from that point on
- Satellites and Blackbird were used because they were no longer prepared to risk manned subsonic overflights after Garry Powers
- Blackbird flights were suspended once keyhole was launched. Over 2000 attempts were made to shoot down Blackbirds - NONE succeeded.
- early satellites were not constellations - so they were subject to gaps. hence why satellites in constellations are racetracked where there is a critical
surveillance issue
you do realise that a lot of those times when the soviets thought that satellites were ineffectual at night etc were negated by different systems.
the reason why racetracks were run rather than ferrets was because the mission harvesting details were different. what was being looked for was not platform and systems placement - but emissions for harvesting.
different requirement - different platforms to do the job.
eg a Blackbird can capture emissions as well as harvest images - bit it cannot harvest the same spectrum detail as a larger jet.
The issue of perimeter harvests was begun soon after the U2 was downed - ie via platforms such as E/W/RC-121's our of guam
Well, thanks for the info.
SR-71, or any other Mac 3 plane, was never intercepted by Mac3+ MiG-25 (which itself overflew Israel with impunity)? Perhaps they overflew them for only few sec/min., and the Soviets decided not to bother?
V.Belenko stated that the plan was to position a MiG-25 in below & front of SR-71, and then shoot at it as soon it passes, but their computers weren't good enough for that.
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SR-71, or any other Mac 3 plane, was never intercepted by Mac3+ MiG-25 (which itself overflew Israel with impunity)? Perhaps they overflew them for only few sec/min., and the Soviets decided not to bother?
V.Belenko stated that the plan was to position a MiG-25 in below & front of SR-71, and then shoot at it as soon it passes, but their computers weren't good enough for that.
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Hey guys, come on!
Interception is a daily routine. On Far East of Russia in mid 80-s - early 90-s Su-27 were called to intercept few times A DAY!!!
I served in the Army 20+ years ago. Admin: One of the things that we request of people claiming prior military service is that they provide supporting evidence so that it can be verified. Please PM either myself or one of the other Mods with your discharge papers and other relevant material so that we can follow it up. As you can appreciate, we need to ensure that people can support their claims as its a question of credibility and quality control.
American TR-1, RC-135, E-3A and SR-71 were flying around USSR daily!!! Some days there were 12 E-13 only flying from the airbase in Germany (if my memory of the location of AFB is correct now
. And I've met my old friend SR-71 from Mildenhall AFB recently in the Air Force museum in Dayton.Nobody was shooting anybody. It was just a daily routine. I also doubt that during the Cold War Russian pilots could speak English fluent enough to discuss the Bermuda Triangle with Americans. They new some basic words necessary to communicate with the international command posts. That's it. But...may be you are right. To fly to Cuba probably required to have a KGB officer on board anyway who could probably talk some English.
Thank you everybody for your attempt to help!
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For someone who professes to have served during this period, I find it extraordinary that you are apparently completely oblivious that over 53 american and british airmen lost their lives from 1945-current from either Soviet, Chinese or NorK contact. There is a documented list of incidents detailing these events that was researched by Polmar and then validated by Russian personnel after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
To say that nobody was shooting anybody is outright rubbish - one of the reasons for formally setting up the nightstalkers was so that americans could be recovered in hot events.
btw, SR-71 overflights of the USSR were stopped after 1972 due to Keyhole. I can provide you with the contact details of the flight planners and some of those pilots who ran those missions as he's a personal contact. SR-71 flights were maintained over areas like Vietnam and China - but only until they were also covered by constellation. IIRC (andI can check, the last continental overflight in "indian country" was in '79.
What do you mean by "Thank you everybody for your attempt to help!". Ghost like the banned Firehorse you are rude to one of our moderators. We appreciate the very good work they do on this forum.
I for one appreciate their work.
Many for us here have prior military backgrounds. On this forum most of us are respectful of the ultimate sacrifice made by military people (which ever side they fought on). Do not circulate untruths to sully these memories.
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