Thermonuclear Stockpiling

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ugunnadiepiggy

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wmd in space

WMDs in space is not immpossible and has been attempted by USSR during the cold war (rumour has it), although you must look at the facts;

1/ nuke rentry vehicle and booster pack including respective protective casing would have a large weight factor on the launch vehicle.

2/ if they did construct such a vehicle, this vehicle will be detected before, during and after launch. Because to be able to launch such a vehicle sacrifices would be made and these would mainly be yeild and shielding.

3/due to the harsh enviroment of space, such vehicles with less than require protection would be open to damage, this would create a costly service requirement.

also you should look at that with a larger the yield warhead its size and weight become expontenially heavier and so the less manouverable the reentry vehicle is and open to defence systems such as improved patriot, airbourne beam and mag weapons.

I do not place putting WMD's into space a prospect of the future, but do consider the use of low tech WMD's produced in labs or backyards of crazy a possibility. reason being that for approximately for 2weeks not long ago the software program used for the yeild effect planning was released onto the web, included with this was alot of data from american nuke tests.
it does not take a genius to make such a weapon, just takes patience and perservence. The same thing the US did during the second world war, you just have to consider that the complete computing power taken to produce the calculations was less than what you have in a digital watch everything else is child's play.
I hope to god we do not experience a terrorist WMD, but i know that it is only a matter of time not choice.....god be with us all;)
 
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dioditto

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ugunnadiepiggy said:
WMDs in space is not immpossible and has been attempted by USSR during the cold war (rumour has it), although you must look at the facts;

1/ nuke rentry vehicle and booster pack including respective protective casing would have a large weight factor on the launch vehicle.

2/ if they did construct such a vehicle, this vehicle will be detected before, during and after launch. Because to be able to launch such a vehicle sacrifices would be made and these would mainly be yeild and shielding.

3/due to the harsh enviroment of space, such vehicles with less than require protection would be open to damage, this would create a costly service requirement.

also you should look at that with a larger the yield warhead its size and weight become expontenially heavier and so the less manouverable the reentry vehicle is and open to defence systems such as improved patriot, airbourne beam and mag weapons.

I do not place putting WMD's into space a prospect of the future, but do consider the use of low tech WMD's produced in labs or backyards of crazy a possibility. reason being that for approximately for 2weeks not long ago the software program used for the yeild effect planning was released onto the web, included with this was alot of data from american nuke tests.
it does not take a genius to make such a weapon, just takes patience and perservence. The same thing the US did during the second world war, you just have to consider that the complete computing power taken to produce the calculations was less than what you have in a digital watch everything else is child's play.
I hope to god we do not experience a terrorist WMD, but i know that it is only a matter of time not choice.....god be with us all;)
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It's already been done by Russians. (I think they even deployed for a period of time). It's called FOBS - Fractional Orbital Bombardment System.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_Orbital_Bombardment_System


Fractional Orbital Bombardment System (FOBS) was a Soviet ICBM program in the 1960s that after launch would go into a low Earth orbit and would then de-orbit for an attack. It had no range limit and the orbital flight path would not reveal the target location.

This would allow a path to North America over the South Pole, hitting targets from the south, which is the opposite direction from which NORAD early warning systems are oriented.

The Outer Space Treaty banned nuclear weapons or weapons of mass destruction in earth orbit. However, it did not ban systems that were capable of placing weapons in orbit, and the Soviet Union avoided violating the treaty by conducting tests of its FOBS system without live warheads.

The Soviets developed three missiles to employ FOBS, with only one entering service:

* The orbital missile 8K69 was initially deployed in 1968, and the first regiment with the R-36 orbital missiles was put on alert in 1969.
* The Global Rocket 1, or GR-1, was cancelled due to engine problems.
* The R-46 was not developed, and eventually scrapped.
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ugunnadiepiggy

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Big-E said:
What does that have to do with stockpiling? FOBS wouldn't be part of a strategic deterrent, it could only stay in orbit for a few rotations.
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True unless it was in geo-sync orbit and stockpiling of WMDS also include new weapon system as it is an increase in capability.
 
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Big-E

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ugunnadiepiggy said:
True unless it was in geo-sync orbit and stockpiling of WMDS also include new weapon system as it is an increase in capability.
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That is impossible... for FOBS to reach a geosynchronous orbit it would have to be at the extreme orbit altitude of 19,323 nautical miles to reach one sidereal day. FOBS orbit is a low earth orbit that would have it hitting the atmosphere in a matter of days after launch. If they didn't intend to launch the whole system would be wasted. All FOBS really was was a super ICBM that could loiter in space for a few orbits to throw off NORAD detection grids and have incredible range... it wasn't anything like the vehicle you described. You were describing a permenant space based deployment.
 
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dioditto

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Big-E said:
What does that have to do with stockpiling? FOBS wouldn't be part of a strategic deterrent, it could only stay in orbit for a few rotations.
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Why wouldn't it be strategic deterrent? What makes it "not strategic enough" ? LOL...
 
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LancerMc

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Put the UN in charge of nuclear weapons? They couldn't even run the Iraqi Oil for Food Program without lining their own pockets. To put them in charge nuclear weapons would be down right stupid. Many of the political leaders of the U.N. come from nations that do not have nuclear weapons. So I doubt they would truly understand how to deploy them. It would be like the 1950's with the American & Soviets all over again.

To use H-bombs instead of A-bombs, because they cause less radiation damage in the long run. Well that maybe great for my grand kids if they were ever born after the whole world we be destroyed in nuclear winter. Dropping one such bomb would soon escalate into an outright nuclear exchange.

Space based weapons are coming and probably do exist in more numbers then most people realize. I would think the U.S. has some type of system capable of that, but it’s not deployed "right now" for political reasons. Well we all know the Soviets developed such weapons by reading this thread. President Bush early in his presidency was a major proponent of these weapons system, and tried to fund the development of a space based deep penetration low yield nuclear weapon.
 
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Big-E

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LancerMc said:
Space based weapons are coming and probably do exist in more numbers then most people realize. I would think the U.S. has some type of system capable of that, but it’s not deployed "right now" for political reasons. Well we all know the Soviets developed such weapons by reading this thread.
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The whole point I was making was that FOBS was not space based but earth based. No one ever put up a space based deterent.
 
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ugunnadiepiggy

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Big-E said:
The whole point I was making was that FOBS was not space based but earth based. No one ever put up a space based deterent.
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I agree with you Big E and my point was more of a space based system and I do believe they tried(not launched operationally, test vehicle was used and reenetered early due to fault?)although can't remember the time and date of the information but beleive it was around the sametime of Ronnie Raygun and the early clandestine test of airbourne laser.
 
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