The ship looks good! I can't wait to see how it will look completed (at the very least they need to non-skid the flight deck).
The Spanish Navy - Armada Española
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Well... we have news from the spanish overheated land...
Firstly a little bit of info about the four ordered BAMs (Maritime Action Ships) already being built by Navantia in the Shipyard of San Fernando (Cádiz) for the Spanish Navy. The Order of the Spanish Defence Ministry with their future names and numerals was finally published the 6th of June in the Spanish Defence Bulletin.
The first four BAMs (of the fourteen planned) will be named:
· P-41 "Meteoro".
· P-42 "Rayo".
· P-43 "Relámpago".
· P-44 "Tornado".
And now going with more recent news...
Yesterday the new AOR of the Spanish Navy (A-15 Cantabria) was christened and floated by Navantia in the shipyard of Puerto Real (Cádiz)
Below are four photos of the event published by El Diario Montañes (Photographer: A. Vázquez) and a pair of aerial pics of the A-15 taken last Friday by Pacodime (FotosdeBarcos.com) more here and here.
Specs. of the A-15 Cantabria (Official Spanish Navy Website)
Firstly a little bit of info about the four ordered BAMs (Maritime Action Ships) already being built by Navantia in the Shipyard of San Fernando (Cádiz) for the Spanish Navy. The Order of the Spanish Defence Ministry with their future names and numerals was finally published the 6th of June in the Spanish Defence Bulletin.
The first four BAMs (of the fourteen planned) will be named:
· P-41 "Meteoro".
· P-42 "Rayo".
· P-43 "Relámpago".
· P-44 "Tornado".
And now going with more recent news...
Yesterday the new AOR of the Spanish Navy (A-15 Cantabria) was christened and floated by Navantia in the shipyard of Puerto Real (Cádiz)
Source. (In Spanish)La Voz Digital - Spanish online newspaper said:
Below are four photos of the event published by El Diario Montañes (Photographer: A. Vázquez) and a pair of aerial pics of the A-15 taken last Friday by Pacodime (FotosdeBarcos.com) more here and here.
Specs. of the A-15 Cantabria (Official Spanish Navy Website)
Spanish Navy
Pictures will be posted at this thread: http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=170949#post170949
Spanish Navy
Firstly a Brief Recopilation, later the main photos
I'll post just "the main battle ships", I won't focus on minor ships like Patrol ships or similar.
1 Aircraft Carrier (In fact they're 2 carriers, if we consider the "Juán Carlos I" as a carrier)
"Príncipe de Asturias" (R-11)
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2213/buques0.jpg
1 LHD
"Juán Carlos I" (L-61)
6 F-100 Frigates (AAW Fight)
"Álvaro de Bazán" (F-101)
"Almirante Juan de Borbón" (F-102)
"Blas de Lezo" (F-103)
"Méndez Núñez" (F-104)
"Roger de Lauria" (F-105) (under construction)
"Juán de Austria" (F-106) (it's waiting to be aproved in the parliament)
6 F-80 Frigates (ASW Fight)
"Santa María" (F-81)
"Victoria" (F-82)
"Numancia" (F-83)
"Reina Sofía" (F-84)
"Navarra" (F-85)
"Canarias" (F-86)
2 LPD
"Galicia" (L-51)
"Castilla" (L-52)
2 LST
"Hernán Cortés" (L-41)
"Pizarro" (L-42)
4 main Patrol Ships
"Meteoro" (P-41)
"Rayo" (P-42)
"Relámpago" (P-43)
"Tornado" (P-44)
All them under construction, but the Spanish Navy wants 12 of these ships, so they will probably be aproved.
Displacement: 2.500 t
4 S-70 Submarines
"Galerna" (S-71)
"Siroco" (S-72)
"Mistral" (S-73)
"Tramontana" (S-74)
4 + 2 Optional S-80 Submarines (They will be able to launch Tomahawk missiles)
All of them under construction
The rest of ships are patrol, petroleum and logistic ships, I may post them later.
Pictures will be posted at this thread: http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=170949#post170949
Spanish Navy
Firstly a Brief Recopilation, later the main photos
I'll post just "the main battle ships", I won't focus on minor ships like Patrol ships or similar.
1 Aircraft Carrier (In fact they're 2 carriers, if we consider the "Juán Carlos I" as a carrier)
"Príncipe de Asturias" (R-11)
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2213/buques0.jpg
1 LHD
"Juán Carlos I" (L-61)
6 F-100 Frigates (AAW Fight)
"Álvaro de Bazán" (F-101)
"Almirante Juan de Borbón" (F-102)
"Blas de Lezo" (F-103)
"Méndez Núñez" (F-104)
"Roger de Lauria" (F-105) (under construction)
"Juán de Austria" (F-106) (it's waiting to be aproved in the parliament)
6 F-80 Frigates (ASW Fight)
"Santa María" (F-81)
"Victoria" (F-82)
"Numancia" (F-83)
"Reina Sofía" (F-84)
"Navarra" (F-85)
"Canarias" (F-86)
2 LPD
"Galicia" (L-51)
"Castilla" (L-52)
2 LST
"Hernán Cortés" (L-41)
"Pizarro" (L-42)
4 main Patrol Ships
"Meteoro" (P-41)
"Rayo" (P-42)
"Relámpago" (P-43)
"Tornado" (P-44)
All them under construction, but the Spanish Navy wants 12 of these ships, so they will probably be aproved.
Displacement: 2.500 t
4 S-70 Submarines
"Galerna" (S-71)
"Siroco" (S-72)
"Mistral" (S-73)
"Tramontana" (S-74)
4 + 2 Optional S-80 Submarines (They will be able to launch Tomahawk missiles)
All of them under construction
The rest of ships are patrol, petroleum and logistic ships, I may post them later.
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No, the F-80's won't be decommissioned by F-100's.
F-80 are for ASW fight, so they will be decommissioned by another ASW ship, people say it will be called F-110, a new Navantia's design.
By the way, the F-80's are totally upgraded ships.
Yes, the 4 S-70's will be decommisioned when the S-80's come
Cheers
Blas de Lezo
Member
http://http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5696
There is an existing thread for the Spanish navy, maybe these posts should be moved there.
In my opinion, although the Spanish navy wants it, there will not be an F106, there will not be +2 S80´s, and the 2 LST´s will be out of service by 2010, when JCI enters service. And the F80´s are going through their MLU´s but the process has not been completed yet.
Regards
There is an existing thread for the Spanish navy, maybe these posts should be moved there.
In my opinion, although the Spanish navy wants it, there will not be an F106, there will not be +2 S80´s, and the 2 LST´s will be out of service by 2010, when JCI enters service. And the F80´s are going through their MLU´s but the process has not been completed yet.
Regards
I have actualized the photo thread with new ones, I hope you like them
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8939&page=2
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8939&page=2
Blas de Lezo
Member
Great set of pictures of JCI out of dry dock from every angle.
fotosdebarcos.com :: Ver tema - L 61 Juan Carlos I
fotosdebarcos.com :: Ver tema - L 61 Juan Carlos I
Blas de Lezo
Member
Testing and demonstration of liferaft deployment from JCI, thanks again to fotosdebarcos and the great Señalero. Two pages of new pictures.
fotosdebarcos.com :: Ver tema - L 61 Juan Carlos I
The pictorial work of the guys at fotosdebarcos is giving us an unprecedented access to the progress being made onboard JCI.
It is my understanding that there is a permanent presence of RAN and Tenix engineers based now at the shipyard in Ferrol, and I am sure as the excellent professionals that they probably are, are taking good note of the building process and quality on site, just as they did with the AWD´s.
I did not want to say anything on the Royal Australian Navy thread ………………but please….. The f100´s have been in service all over the world for a few years now, their building quality and design has been checked by the RAN on the vessels!, and it was checked before placing the order. JCI is being built now and the RAN has a privileged and free access to the site.
What can I say, as a proud Spaniard , I do not think it is my place to enter debate on some of the issues discussed on the RAN pages, I just hope at the end of all of this, you are at least as satisfied with your ships as the Spanish Armada is with theirs and and that you can get from them at least as many miles and years of excellent service as we have done with ours.
F-70´s, F80´s,F100´s, PDA, AOR´s, Galicia Class,LCM 1E,oilers etc etc etc are moving ,working testimony of Navantia´s achievements, build quality and reliability.
Navantia´s designs and builds turn into good ships because we have no choice, we cannot afford fiasco´s like the San Antonio.
We could have built and equipped 4 JCI´s with the money spent on one San Antonio, and they would have been sailing now.
As it stands, the budget ,needs and real possibilities of the RAN, are a little closer to the Spanish Armada than they are to the USN, and I am sure that detail has had something to do with the order. That´s why Navantia´s Tenix offer was chosen, it hits the spot.
And…..no, I do not think that the Navantia AWD will be as good as the G&C design. Why? Because a real ship cannot compete with a paper one and because, what it is, is never as good as what it could have been, such is human nature.
I am also sure that, the fact that many of the units are going to be completed in Australia is a comfort factor for many and I sincerely hope that when finished, these ships will make you proud and more important, they perform their duties. However it is not an easy task to mass the workforce and know how necessary to do the job and on that endeavor I wish my Australian friends the best of lucks.
fotosdebarcos.com :: Ver tema - L 61 Juan Carlos I
The pictorial work of the guys at fotosdebarcos is giving us an unprecedented access to the progress being made onboard JCI.
It is my understanding that there is a permanent presence of RAN and Tenix engineers based now at the shipyard in Ferrol, and I am sure as the excellent professionals that they probably are, are taking good note of the building process and quality on site, just as they did with the AWD´s.
I did not want to say anything on the Royal Australian Navy thread ………………but please….. The f100´s have been in service all over the world for a few years now, their building quality and design has been checked by the RAN on the vessels!, and it was checked before placing the order. JCI is being built now and the RAN has a privileged and free access to the site.
What can I say, as a proud Spaniard , I do not think it is my place to enter debate on some of the issues discussed on the RAN pages, I just hope at the end of all of this, you are at least as satisfied with your ships as the Spanish Armada is with theirs and and that you can get from them at least as many miles and years of excellent service as we have done with ours.
F-70´s, F80´s,F100´s, PDA, AOR´s, Galicia Class,LCM 1E,oilers etc etc etc are moving ,working testimony of Navantia´s achievements, build quality and reliability.
Navantia´s designs and builds turn into good ships because we have no choice, we cannot afford fiasco´s like the San Antonio.
We could have built and equipped 4 JCI´s with the money spent on one San Antonio, and they would have been sailing now.
As it stands, the budget ,needs and real possibilities of the RAN, are a little closer to the Spanish Armada than they are to the USN, and I am sure that detail has had something to do with the order. That´s why Navantia´s Tenix offer was chosen, it hits the spot.
And…..no, I do not think that the Navantia AWD will be as good as the G&C design. Why? Because a real ship cannot compete with a paper one and because, what it is, is never as good as what it could have been, such is human nature.
I am also sure that, the fact that many of the units are going to be completed in Australia is a comfort factor for many and I sincerely hope that when finished, these ships will make you proud and more important, they perform their duties. However it is not an easy task to mass the workforce and know how necessary to do the job and on that endeavor I wish my Australian friends the best of lucks.
[Testing and demonstration of liferaft deployment from JCI, thanks again to fotosdebarcos and the great Señalero. Two pages of new pictures.
fotosdebarcos.com :: Ver tema - L 61 Juan Carlos I
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Superb pictures!
Sydney and Ballarat will arrive this Saturday to Ferrol naval base. First chance to take some pictures of aussie ships beside something nearly identical to Camberra class
Regards
But on talking about upgrading the F-105, I see Spain is going to upgrade their Alvaro De Bazan frigates with NSM.
www.navalnews.com
No news if they are going to perform an Aegis update on them, AFAIK F-105 is on baseline 7.1 but the other ships are on an even earlier baseline.
www.dailysignal.com
While I don't think Spain was very interested in SM-3. SM-6 and ESSM II would be valuable additions, as would NSM. Perhaps this Aegis update will happen given that Australia is upgrading its Hobarts to something a lot newer and more capable than 7.1? The US bases no less than 5 destroyers out of Spain, so being able to fire the same munitions would make sense.
Also Spain is building the F-110 which will also have Aegis, so it makes sense to bring the baseline of both classes up to the same level and to be compatible with the new munitions developed since the late 1990's.
Spain Selects Naval Strike Missile as Harpoon Replacement - Naval News
The Spanish Navy (Armada Española) confirmed to Naval News that it has selected Kongsberg's Naval Strike Missile (NSM) as the replacement for its ageing Harpoon anti-ship missiles.
www.navalnews.com
No news if they are going to perform an Aegis update on them, AFAIK F-105 is on baseline 7.1 but the other ships are on an even earlier baseline.
Spain's Aegis Frigates Could Join Europe's Missile Defense Shield
A week ago, the Spanish government of Socialist Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero agreed to Spain’s participation in NATO’s European missile defense system by... Read More
www.dailysignal.com
While I don't think Spain was very interested in SM-3. SM-6 and ESSM II would be valuable additions, as would NSM. Perhaps this Aegis update will happen given that Australia is upgrading its Hobarts to something a lot newer and more capable than 7.1? The US bases no less than 5 destroyers out of Spain, so being able to fire the same munitions would make sense.
Also Spain is building the F-110 which will also have Aegis, so it makes sense to bring the baseline of both classes up to the same level and to be compatible with the new munitions developed since the late 1990's.
Antipode
Member
I meant if those very hypothetical new Hobbarts could be redesigned to safely pad/land a Chinook, rather than support or deploy it. Thank you for your answers!But on talking about upgrading the F-105, I see Spain is going to upgrade their Alvaro De Bazan frigates with NSM.
Spain Selects Naval Strike Missile as Harpoon Replacement - Naval News
The Spanish Navy (Armada Española) confirmed to Naval News that it has selected Kongsberg's Naval Strike Missile (NSM) as the replacement for its ageing Harpoon anti-ship missiles.
No news if they are going to perform an Aegis update on them, AFAIK F-105 is on baseline 7.1 but the other ships are on an even earlier baseline.
Spain's Aegis Frigates Could Join Europe's Missile Defense Shield
A week ago, the Spanish government of Socialist Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero agreed to Spain’s participation in NATO’s European missile defense system by... Read More
While I don't think Spain was very interested in SM-3. SM-6 and ESSM II would be valuable additions, as would NSM. Perhaps this Aegis update will happen given that Australia is upgrading its Hobarts to something a lot newer and more capable than 7.1? The US bases no less than 5 destroyers out of Spain, so being able to fire the same munitions would make sense.
Also Spain is building the F-110 which will also have Aegis, so it makes sense to bring the baseline of both classes up to the same level and to be compatible with the new munitions developed since the late 1990's.
On the subject of NSM acquisition, Kongsberg allegedly actualised its client countries list with the Spanish flag on their website before the official announcement by Spain!
Spanish frigates to be armed with stealth NSM by Kongsberg (Bulgarian source on that for it is in english, and at hand)
I believe the first Hapoon launch against a land objective by a Spanish Armada’s warship did indeed follow the announcement shortly after, but for my life that I can’t find the source.
It’s been widely speculated that the NSM submarine launched version will be selected for the Isaac Peral class since an agreement for Tomahawk hasn’t materialised after so long considering it for the frigates as well.
Antipode
Member
Speaking of wich, the S-81 Isaac Peral will suffer an upgrade of part of its sonar suite by Lockheed Martin during September, before more seawater trials and first immersion in October.
Navantia y Lockheed Martin mejoran los sonares del submarino S-81 (website has a translation tool)
On the F-100 and F105 MLU, Spain signed a contract with Navantia for a study on the case last year. Nothing specific has been made public to my knowledge. Another contract has been recently signed with Norway for technical support on their MLUs.
www.infodefensa.com
Here is a link to an interview with the head of the Armada, Almirante General Antonio Martorell Lacave, on that and other ongoing programs. He does mention the adaptation of the F-100 to the “armament that the F110 will use”.
Maybe the unsolicited proposal is not only an agressive marketing stunt, but a declaration of coyuntural high capacity due to F100/5 MLU and F110 program, plus the Al Jubail corvettes ongoing one.
(Edited for typo error)
Navantia y Lockheed Martin mejoran los sonares del submarino S-81 (website has a translation tool)
On the F-100 and F105 MLU, Spain signed a contract with Navantia for a study on the case last year. Nothing specific has been made public to my knowledge. Another contract has been recently signed with Norway for technical support on their MLUs.
La Armada encarga a Navantia un estudio sobre la modernización de las F100
La Armada trabaja desde el año pasado en la definición de las acciones necesarias para acometer esta modernización, que incluirá sistemas, equipos y componentes dentro de las áreas de plataf ...
www.infodefensa.com
Here is a link to an interview with the head of the Armada, Almirante General Antonio Martorell Lacave, on that and other ongoing programs. He does mention the adaptation of the F-100 to the “armament that the F110 will use”.
Maybe the unsolicited proposal is not only an agressive marketing stunt, but a declaration of coyuntural high capacity due to F100/5 MLU and F110 program, plus the Al Jubail corvettes ongoing one.
(Edited for typo error)
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Sandhi Yudha
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|"The C295 MPA will conduct the missions performed by the P-3 Orion fleet, which were retired at the end of 2022. It will be equipped to carry out anti-submarine, anti-surface warfare and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions.
The C295 MSA is the natural replacement for the CN-235 VIGMA aircraft fleet, which have been in service with the Spanish Air and Space Force since 2008. It will be primarily equipped for maritime and overland operations such as anti-smuggling, anti-illegal immigration and anti-drug trafficking operations, as well as national and international search-and-rescue missions."|
So the 16 new C295s will be devided between the airforce and the navy.
www.navalnews.com
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www.defensenews.com
The C295 MSA is the natural replacement for the CN-235 VIGMA aircraft fleet, which have been in service with the Spanish Air and Space Force since 2008. It will be primarily equipped for maritime and overland operations such as anti-smuggling, anti-illegal immigration and anti-drug trafficking operations, as well as national and international search-and-rescue missions."|
So the 16 new C295s will be devided between the airforce and the navy.
Spain orders 16 Airbus C295 in Maritime Patrol and Surveillance configurations - Naval News
The Spanish MoD has ordered 16 Airbus C295 aircraft in MPA configuration and MSA configuration. The contract amounts to €1.695 billion.
www.navalnews.com
Spain orders Airbus maritime patrol, surveillance aircraft for $2B
Assembly will take place at the Airbus military facilities in Seville, Spain.
www.defensenews.com
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