The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[Redshift]

It seems that no one read the first post in Russia - General Discussion or that only our opinion counts. NATO is a four-letter-word for Russians, I read that a long time ago.

Oh off you go again wittering on to the void

 

[Redshift]

Really? but an intelligent debate can contain a sentence like 'we are arming Ukraine to fight for freedom'. followed by a lecture on how Ukraine hates Russia. don't you know what Russia says they are fighting for? Russia said they are fighting for so many reasons including liberating the Donbass, so they are fighting for what they believe is freedom for Russian speakers in Ukraine. it's not intelligent because it's Russian version of freedom?

I was replying to you not anyone else, basic comprehension, you should try it

 

[personaldesas]

I think post-'91 there wasn't anything Russia could have realistically done to prevent NATO expansion. Despite assurances, NATO would have expanded eastward to some extent regardless.

I think often the framing aroudn this issue misses an important distinction. NATO did not expand by invading countries and forcing them to join. Those countries actively sought membership because of their own security concerns and historical experience.

You can still criticize NATO for accepting them. But then the agency of Poland, the Baltics, Romania, etc. has to be part of the argument too.

Equating voluntary accession to an alliance with Russia imposing its will by force on neighboring countries, as some here do, is just not a strong argument.

 

[tonnyc]

No man, i posted a video here of Tulsi Gabbard admitting to the bio-lab thing. is she propaganda too?

You have no clue at all about American politics, do you? Yes, she is propaganda.
God damn. Learn about the world. Get out of your shell.

My country (Indonesia) is supposed to be a friend of yours (Russia) but holy shit either you're dumb or you think we here at defencetalk are dumb.