The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[Redshift]

am just airing my views like everyone on here, no twisting or anything like that, you and some are just picking on me because you don't like what i said. your backing each other up and asking the same silly questions again and again, when i respond to one, the next one takes over and questions me more aggressively even when they have seen my last response on the topic. that's not a sign of good debaters either.
you support Ukraine, i support Russia, lets have a good intelligent debate. try and keep the same energy and reserve some advice for those that use language like 'fool and you don't know English'. it will improve the debate

An intelligent debate would never have a sentence like

[X country] is bringing it's "own kind of freedom" to [Y country]

 

[swerve]

get your facts right before you post, Zelensky's mothers tongue is Russian, in 2001 the Ukraine official census declared that 29.6% of Ukraine spoke Russian, in 2021 the census declared the 26% spoke Russian, and yes, fight this war with your brother because of NATO is very stupid. Ukraine will learn as time goes on. i support Russia because somebody has to put an end to this NATO and western madness of feeling that they own the world and they can invade anybody they like and frame it how they like. Russia is defending it's national security.
you need to get down from that moral high horse so you can see clearly

You're forgetting one very, very important fact, which overrides everything else.

Russia invaded Ukraine. Three times. Not the other way round. Nobody has invaded Russia.

Russia started the wars. In 2014 (Russian troops took over Crimea, & Russian provocateurs moved into Donbas & started the armed rebellion there) & 2022 (Russian troops invaded Ukraine on a broad front).

In case you hadn't noticed, Russia's also invaded Georgia twice, & now controls large parts of it, & Russian troops established & still prop up a separatist state in Moldova.

And still, nobody has invaded Russia since 1941.

 

[deyhere]

An intelligent debate would never have a sentence like

[X country] is bringing it's "own kind of freedom" to [Y country]

Really? but an intelligent debate can contain a sentence like 'we are arming Ukraine to fight for freedom'. followed by a lecture on how Ukraine hates Russia. don't you know what Russia says they are fighting for? Russia said they are fighting for so many reasons including liberating the Donbass, so they are fighting for what they believe is freedom for Russian speakers in Ukraine. it's not intelligent because it's Russian version of freedom?

 

[deyhere]

You're forgetting one very, very important fact, which overrides everything else.

Russia invaded Ukraine. Three times. Not the other way round. Nobody has invaded Russia.

Russia started the wars. In 2014 (Russian troops took over Crimea, & Russian provocateurs moved into Donbas & started the armed rebellion there) & 2022 (Russian troops invaded Ukraine on a broad front).

In case you hadn't noticed, Russia's also invaded Georgia twice, & now controls large parts of it, & Russian troops established & still prop up a separatist state in Moldova.

And still, nobody has invaded Russia since 1941.

No, i don't forget things like this, and i remember very well the build up to each of these so called invasions. the west sponsored and over threw a siting pro Russian Ukrainian president, the lunatics that took over power start threatening to end the lease of Russian naval base, let's not go into that rabbit hole but Russia had to do what they had to do, they were never going to allow NATO lay their hands on that base.

Georgia attacked two breakaway republics that had Russian protection, South Osetia and Abkhazia if i remember well, and paid for it.
there was always a provocation that led to these invasions.

Russia ia a great power, whether you like it or not, they will always respond to events and developments in their periphery