The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
Remember this nonsense from last October (can’t find my own post on the subject)?

About 200 Russian personnel have penetrated inside the front-line city of Pokrovsk in Donetsk Oblast, the General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces reported on Oct. 26.


Then in December:

Russian sabotage groups that have infiltrated Pokrovsk cannot get a foothold in the city, let alone control it.


Today:

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I would quote my own post from last year, but I cannot find it.

It’s like one of those puzzles for little kids, find 10 differences (or similarities). Here, find some in this AI summary of last October:

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Amazing stuff, no? If I was motivated, I would post other events that match the playbook. Pokrovsk, however, is nearly a perfect layout that should still be fairly fresh in people’s memories.
 

Rob c

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
am sure that when Nigeria stop doing want you want them to, you will jump in and arm the Igbo's against the Hausa like you do every where, because the Igbos don't like the Hausa after losing to them in the Nigerian civil war. the Ukrainians don't like the Poles, the Poles don't like the Ukrainians. who do we arm? Poland or Ukraine? it's nice for the big guy to kidnap the president of Venezuela right and bomb Iran for no reason. where are the sanctions? you guys like to steal oil and resources that belong to others? you don't hide it anymore, you make it clear, we are going there to get the oil.
What the hell this has got to do with what I posted I don't know. I will say that Nigeria is a sovereign country and it is up to them to sort their problems.
Ukraine was however INVADED by Russia even though Russia had previously signed a treaty to guarantee their borders in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nuclear weapons.
Your less that intelligent rave about who hates who is irrelevant as it only seems to be a point scoring exercise in my reply to what you wrote regarding brotherly neighbour to what Russia was to ukraine and as I said brotherly neighbours don't invade next door.
As for the excesses of DT there are no excuses.
 

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
Things that didn’t happen:


Translation of the tweet (Zaharova’s “speech”):

Things are getting serious in Russia: "In connection with the ongoing terrorist attacks by the Kyiv regime on our regions, the Foreign Ministry is appealing to a number of friendly countries with a request to supply fuel for state needs. I hope they will extend a helping hand, which we have always extended first" - Zakharova.


I wrote this the other day:

All this Ukrainian AI developments, targeting, etc? In my opinion, the probability is close to zero that Ukrainians develop the stuff themselves (they certainly do, but the proportion of home-developed stuff is most likely minuscule in comparison, if not negligible, proportionally speaking). But they are paying for it, like someone said, the highest price, in blood and (my addition) the future of the country.

Ukrainians and Russians have a saying “don’t make my sleepers laugh”. This applies to Ukrainians selling their tech to the US and Europe. You can’t sell what the potential buyer provided to you (at no monetary cost) back to the buyer. All you can do is sell back the field reports so that the “buyer” can make improvements and provide you back with (in other words sell you) a better product (it’s a barter, field testing for equipment). Once the product reaches sufficient “perfection”, the “buyer” will stop supplying the product to you for free, but at some nominal reduced cost (best-case scenario) because your returning field reports have lower value than they did initially, but you will still be sending the feedback because product improvement is in your core interests.

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And in the same post:

I should also add that you can often say by looking at the product whether it is a Ukrainian development/assembly or west-provided piece of equipment.
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More on the lemming interpretation of text (Jompy’s article I cited previously, in the post quoted above, I think):

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Zelensky says Euros cannot mediate. Russians say Euros’ mediation is not acceptable. Stubb seems to have understood the sings, but Euros debate on who among them is going to be the mediator, Macron willing to “volunteer” (to be star of the show, of course), it appears.

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This is the cake of the day (will need to translate from Ukrainian, but the next link is in English):

Fedorov: up to 50% of stormtroopers and infantrymen must foreigners.


Moreover,

“We are opening the foreign recruitment market to strengthen combat units and preserve the lives of Ukrainian service members,” Fedorov said.


Imagine the feeling of superiority! I am sure people will say that it is all great and dandy though. Not sure how much more ludicrous this can get. See, if I wanted to make this stuff up, I highly doubt I could. It’s next level stuff. I mean really… Imagine “volunteering” (see below) to die in Ukraine in order to “preserve the lives of Ukrainian service members”. Would you be able to make this stuff up? I would bet my last you would not!


Another periodic “stencil”. We have been through this exact same stuff last year and during the Kursk adventures:



Note where he says that “we have resources to increase pay[…]”, “foreign volunteers[…]”, “additional recruitment mechanism[…]”. In other words, (mostly) Euros will now be paying the poors from around the world to die in trenches or while assaulting Russian positions in Ukraine, fighting the “existential war” that they have nothing to do with, wHiLe PrESeRvInG UkRaiNIan SeRvICe MemBeRs LiVEs ThoUgH!. On this note, from the Ukrainian Centre for Countering Disinformation (ie, Centre of Disinformation?):





For those interested in exploring the graphics, the original tweet: Center for Countering Disinformation (@CforCD) on X


In the meantime, Ukraine is going to ask for twenty more billion dolares americanos to “burn” and “finish off” Russia, before Russians regain the initiative they had never lost (2022 aside).



This is very good stuff from the Ukrainska Pravda (will have to translate from Ukrainian). Zelensky is convinced that he will bring Putin to the negotiating table by the fall:

 

deyhere

Member
What the hell this has got to do with what I posted I don't know. I will say that Nigeria is a sovereign country and it is up to them to sort their problems.
Ukraine was however INVADED by Russia even though Russia had previously signed a treaty to guarantee their borders in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nuclear weapons.
Your less that intelligent rave about who hates who is irrelevant as it only seems to be a point scoring exercise in my reply to what you wrote regarding brotherly neighbour to what Russia was to ukraine and as I said brotherly neighbours don't invade next door.
As for the excesses of DT there are no excuses.
you brought up the argument that Ukraine hates Russia, not me. i can give you loads of examples where people don't like each other and still live together even after fighting a major war. your argument that Ukraine don't like the Russia as one of the reasons we have to arm Ukraine don't make sense. there are a lot of countries where tribes don't like each other, what should we do, go there and arm them to fight each other? i also spoke about Poland hating Ukraine, you didn't comment on that.
if Nigeria wakes up one morning and decides to kick all western oil companies out of Nigeria. all of a sudden, the west will remember that the Igbo tribe don't like the Hausa tribe then all of a sudden the world needs to free the Igbos, we have to help them get freedom, we bomb them so they can be free. i used Nigeria as an example because a lot of tribes hate each other but they are living together in peace, until the west comes to remind them that they hate each other offering arms and support, then the whole place explodes.

the kind of freedom you brought Libya, you want to bring it to Ukraine. you have no shame. the good thing is that you have to deal with Russia, Russia is not going to let that happen. Russia is in the middle of bringing it's own kind of freedom to Ukraine
 

deyhere

Member
it's like Lord Bebo was reading our thread. the Bet hasn't been placed yet and it's look like i will win it.


my statement wasn't totally out of place, most of you don't want to acknowledge that Ukraine can't fight by it self, you want us to live in the hallucination that small Ukraine is winning and standing up to big Russia, it's a fat lie am sorry to say.
Reality will set in soon, historians will not forget that Russia beat all of NATO in Ukraine
 

swerve

Super Moderator
am sure that when Nigeria stop doing want you want them to, you will jump in and arm the Igbo's against the Hausa like you do every where,
Baffling. Since when has New Zealand armed one side "everywhere"?

it's nice for the big guy to kidnap the president of Venezuela right and bomb Iran for no reason. where are the sanctions? you guys like to steal oil and resources that belong to others? you don't hide it anymore, you make it clear, we are going there to get the oil.
So you can invade any country you like and Russia can't?
Again & again, what does this have to do with NZ? Rob c isn't American, & AFAIK he doesn't support Trump.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
it's like Lord Bebo was reading our thread. the Bet hasn't been placed yet and it's look like i will win it.


my statement wasn't totally out of place, most of you don't want to acknowledge that Ukraine can't fight by it self, you want us to live in the hallucination that small Ukraine is winning and standing up to big Russia, it's a fat lie am sorry to say.
Reality will set in soon, historians will not forget that Russia beat all of NATO in Ukraine
On X you can also say that Ukraine won the war...
Have you try to verify your own Fairy Tale? (Those fights are not happening.)

What is happening in NI, are entire neighborhoods been burnt, is the Police and the Army shooting civilians, like in the past?
 

vikingatespam

Well-Known Member
No, they didn't. you forget Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande publicly admitted to dragging the Minsk 2 agreement to no where so that Ukraine can arm up and be ready to fight. you forget Boris Johnsons role in torpedoing Istanbul?
or is it the English?
Stop being a mouthpiece for the Kremlin. If UKR didnt want to fight, they wouldnt. This shouldnt be confusing to you. No one is forcing UKR to fight, they are aiding UKR in the fight.

Istanbul was a no-go from the beginning. RU demands (disarming, etc) were impossible to accept. A google search reiterates and summarizes relevant points:

"Ukrainian leadership, including President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, has downplayed Johnson’s role in stopping the deal. They argue the framework proposed by Russia was unacceptable, lacked security guarantees, and that the opportunity for peace had already dissipated by the time Johnson"
 

vikingatespam

Well-Known Member
How much does Ukraine owe the west and please advise when they will pay back? how do they keep getting money when they can't pay back?
Please explain how possibly owing money is "selling your sovereignty" ? Various countries owe debts to each other without being vassal states (which is what RU wants from UKR). The vast majority of the UKR debt is going to be written off in any case.

Ukraine already speak Russian, arming them don't make sense, it will only make the Russians double down
OK, Im stunned by this bit of "logic". "If many people in UKR speak Russian, we shouldnt arm UKR."

This is the best you can do ?
 

deyhere

Member
Baffling. Since when has New Zealand armed one side "everywhere"?




Again & again, what does this have to do with NZ? Rob c isn't American, & AFAIK he doesn't support Trump.
I know Rob is not American, am just responding to Rob because he's commenting on what i said and he seem to have picked sides already, Rob likes to call out Russia as the big bad bully, Rob forgets that it's not just Russia that's in the game of invading others, when i point that out, your trying to remind me that Rob is not American. ok cool
 

vikingatespam

Well-Known Member
Further information on the UKR strike on the Boikiy.


The BDA is that the ship is going to be a write-off. The only thing its doing now is clogging up a drydock.
 

vikingatespam

Well-Known Member
I know Rob is not American, am just responding to Rob because he's commenting on what i said and he seem to have picked sides already, Rob likes to call out Russia as the big bad bully, Rob forgets that it's not just Russia that's in the game of invading others, when i point that out, your trying to remind me that Rob is not American. ok cool
Classic "whataboutism'. Feel free to bring up the Venezuela topic in the proper forums.
 

deyhere

Member
On X you can also say that Ukraine won the war...
Have you try to verify your own Fairy Tale? (Those fights are not happening.)

What is happening in NI, are entire neighborhoods been burnt, is the Police and the Army shooting civilians, like in the past?
anyone claiming Ukraine won or will win is living in fantasy land, sooner or later, reality will catch up with them
 

deyhere

Member
Stop being a mouthpiece for the Kremlin. If UKR didnt want to fight, they wouldnt. This shouldnt be confusing to you. No one is forcing UKR to fight, they are aiding UKR in the fight.

Istanbul was a no-go from the beginning. RU demands (disarming, etc) were impossible to accept. A google search reiterates and summarizes relevant points:

"Ukrainian leadership, including President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, has downplayed Johnson’s role in stopping the deal. They argue the framework proposed by Russia was unacceptable, lacked security guarantees, and that the opportunity for peace had already dissipated by the time Johnson"
Am talking facts and your talking about Kremlin mouthpiece, anytime you come in contact with truth you try to wave it off has Kremlin mouthpiece or propaganda.. you didn't respond to Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande openly saying they dragged Minsk to buy time for Ukraine to arm up and fight. was it the Kremlin that told them to acknowledge that they had done this?
 

deyhere

Member
Please explain how possibly owing money is "selling your sovereignty" ? Various countries owe debts to each other without being vassal states (which is what RU wants from UKR). The vast majority of the UKR debt is going to be written off in any case.



OK, Im stunned by this bit of "logic". "If many people in UKR speak Russian, we shouldnt arm UKR."

This is the best you can do ?
Ukraine won't pay back it's debt, it will be written off? it's clear to see, who Russia is truly Fighting. continue arming them. Ukraine is draining your stock piles, keep supplying
 

deyhere

Member
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