If you have done some reading about this it should be clear that the Russian war crimes I referred to are not isolated incidents, they are systematic. In addition Russian war criminals have been decorated by Putin, and Putin himself is wanted for war crimes and should be arrested.
The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread
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Yes and so what? Either you have not read the sources I linked to or you chose to ignore what they are saying. In your lasts posts you have not provided a single argument backed by any reports, articles or any other sources, you have just presented your opinions.
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Except if you click on it, it says DRG, which is the Russian abbreviation for a an infiltrating recon element. This doesn't represent Russian control, but those penetrations I mentioned earlier, and they are continuing. You can see Suriyakmaps has a grey zone to the center of Pokrovsk on his map representing the same thing.According to Kalibrated...
Pokrovsk and Kupiansk.
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If that is already true, it is a good chunk of Pokrovsk. As RUSI said, Ukraine just needs to hold one more year.
The Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian parliaments have declared Russia to be a terrorist state. Estonian parliament declares Russia a terrorist state – POLITICO
The European Parliament has declared Russia to be a state sponsor of terrorism. European Parliament declares Russia to be a state sponsor of terrorism | News | European Parliament
The Polish Parliament (Sejm) has declared Russia to be a state supporting terrorism. Resolution on the recognition of the Russian Federation as a state supporting terrorism.pdf
The Dutch Parliament declares Russia to be a state sponsor of terrorism Dutch Parliament declares Russia state sponsor of terrorism / The New Voice of Ukraine
The Slovak Parliament recognizes the Russian Regime as a terrorist regime and Russia to a state sponsor of terrorism Slovak parliament recognises Russian regime as terrorist and Russia as terrorism sponsor | Ukrainska Pravda
The Czech Parliament has declared the Russian Regime to be a terrorist regime. Lower House of Czech Parliament Recognises Russian Regime as Terrorist | European Pravda
The OSCE Parliamentary Assembly recognizes Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism OSCE Parliamentary Assembly recognizes Russia as state sponsor of terrorism
Bulgaria: Russia Warns of Retaliation After Bulgarian Parliament Labels It a Terrorism Sponsor - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency
ICCT: Russian State Terrorism and State Sponsorship of Terrorism | International Centre for Counter-Terrorism - ICCT
Soufan Report: Russia a state sponsor of terrorism: Soufan report
Hudson Institute: Treat Russia as a Terrorist State | Hudson Institute
The European Parliament has declared Russia to be a state sponsor of terrorism. European Parliament declares Russia to be a state sponsor of terrorism | News | European Parliament
The Polish Parliament (Sejm) has declared Russia to be a state supporting terrorism. Resolution on the recognition of the Russian Federation as a state supporting terrorism.pdf
The Dutch Parliament declares Russia to be a state sponsor of terrorism Dutch Parliament declares Russia state sponsor of terrorism / The New Voice of Ukraine
The Slovak Parliament recognizes the Russian Regime as a terrorist regime and Russia to a state sponsor of terrorism Slovak parliament recognises Russian regime as terrorist and Russia as terrorism sponsor | Ukrainska Pravda
The Czech Parliament has declared the Russian Regime to be a terrorist regime. Lower House of Czech Parliament Recognises Russian Regime as Terrorist | European Pravda
The OSCE Parliamentary Assembly recognizes Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism OSCE Parliamentary Assembly recognizes Russia as state sponsor of terrorism
Bulgaria: Russia Warns of Retaliation After Bulgarian Parliament Labels It a Terrorism Sponsor - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency
ICCT: Russian State Terrorism and State Sponsorship of Terrorism | International Centre for Counter-Terrorism - ICCT
Soufan Report: Russia a state sponsor of terrorism: Soufan report
Hudson Institute: Treat Russia as a Terrorist State | Hudson Institute
rsemmes
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There are a bunch of criminals in Ukraine.
There are a bunch of criminals in Russia.
There is no need to argue the point, there is no need to provide more reports.
I would argue Russia being the only "terrorist state".
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It appears Chasov Yar has fallen. However, like with the announcement of the fall of Toretsk back in January, Russian forces have pushed through the town, not encircled it. As a result Ukrainian forces are right outside the town from at least one axis, and could readily re-enter the town with counter-attacks. Unlike Toretsk, Chasov Yar is on the high ground, and Russian forces did push beyond the town southward and northward, making it less exposed. In principle this lays the ground-work for a move on Konstantinovka, but I suspect this will take quite some time. Russian forces haven't pushed north beyond Poltavka or Rusin Yar, so the western pincer for enveloping Konstantinovka doesn't exist. It's likely that will be the eventual effort, but right now the focs seem to be on the Pokrovsk metropolitan area.
KipPotapych
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Is there a difference nowadays between DRGs and “small attack groups” that pass the defences, accumulate, and occupy the area? I mean I understand the theoretical difference, but is there a practical difference on today’s battlefield in Ukraine?
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There are raids intended to cause damage, and attacks intended to secure ground. DRGs often don't take positions they can hold, and often aren't supported with the kind of effort that attacks are. You can't just take a patch of ground and sit there. You need supplies, troop rotations, and support. And you need routes that make it possible to do all of this. DRGs can often penetrate much further largely because they only need to get through once, do their job and find a way back, possibly not even the same route. It's possible to have an area where you can't keep permanent presence because they will get hit by the enemy, but you can pass through now and then, if you're careful, and don't make a habit of it. So I believe we do need to distinguish penetrations by recon and SpN elements separate from firm advances intended to gain ground.
That having been said, your point is taken, one might very well convert into the other. In fact if enough DRGs can go in frequently enough and cause enough problems for Ukraine, it's possible they will force Ukraine to pull back from any area where they have a hard time maintaining a stable front line, and thus allow for a Russian advance to take place. But the frequency of this seems to be awfully high, which is why I allow for a different possibility, namely that actually a substantial Russian element has penetrated Ukrainian lines and is now in the process of establishing themselves, and the result could be the loss of a substantial part of Pokrovsk without a traditional large scale assault. There is even a third possibility, that Ukraine is already pulling out of the area, but not yet willing to admit this publicly, and the Russian penetrations aren't of any sort of solid Ukrainian presence, but rather of Ukraine's rear screening elements as they pull out their main forces.
Russian forces north of the conurbation are continuing to advance, so it's starting to look like that "eastern" (now northern) pincer will complete the envelopment to the point where logistics will be compromised and Ukraine will have to do a withdrawal under drone controlled roads, like they had to in previous cases, unless they're already pulling out. On the northern side the second refuse mound seems to be next in line for assault. There are also, so far, unconfirmed reports of similar Russian recon team penetrations into Mirnograd from the north-east.
KipPotapych
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Yeah, it seems to me that the difference can be fairly washed out. Here is a recent thread on the subject from a Ukrainian soldier (recommend following for those on Twitter):
The thread can be found here: https://x.com/solonko1648/status/1949592293524021607
The thread can be found here: https://x.com/solonko1648/status/1949592293524021607
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I think he does a good job of distinguishing recon groups from forces actually there to capture ground. I also am starting to think that this advance is about more then Pokrovsk. I suspect they're aiming for the Dobropol'ye-Belozerskoe area in the north-west part of the Donbas, which start to threaten logistics for the Kramatorsk-Slavyansk area. The end point of the push, likely well into next year, is probably the Aleksandrovka area, leaving the north-western route as the only big artery for Ukraine's forces in the Donbas.
Is it Russia or Putin protecting their interests.
Are they both the same or is there a difference?
Just a thought
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John Fedup
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I would say Putin and his gang are Russia so no difference. What would be interesting to know is there a significant shift by Russian citizens wrt interests in general regarding the war and relations with NATO/EU (bearing in mind their views won't matter to the Putin gang)?
rsemmes
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A British PM took UK into Iraq, is there a difference?
Trump or the US is imposing sanctions on EU and the rest of the world?
Sorry, tariffs...
Please stop with the whataboutism and the false equivalences. The Iraq war was a disaster, should never have happened, and some Western leaders should have been investigated for potential war crimes. Please don't use that as a lame excuse for Russian war crimes in Ukraine.
Stick to the topic.