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[Unric]

The future of the missile boats for Ukraine is looking doubtful.. Any chance the RN might take up the order if need be? Not a normal fit for the RN but they seemed like a promising design

 

[Redlands18]

The future of the missile boats for Ukraine is looking doubtful.. Any chance the RN might take up the order if need be? Not a normal fit for the RN but they seemed like a promising design

Can you please post a link to these Boats, most of us have no idea what Boats you are talking about. It is good posting etiquette on here.

 

[Musashi_kenshin]

The future of the missile boats for Ukraine is looking doubtful.. Any chance the RN might take up the order if need be? Not a normal fit for the RN but they seemed like a promising design

Absolutely not. The Royal Navy does not have spare cash for a missile boat and would not find a good use for one.

If work has not already started and it becomes clear that Ukraine will not be able to keep access to a naval port and construction yard (only 2 of the 8 were to be built in the UK) or a puppet government will be installed, the order will be cancelled.

If work has already started it will just be on the hull(s), so probably easy to scrap or temporarily stop work. Alternatively another buyer might be found.

 

[Redlands18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada-class_corvette

There is also a Ada class Corvette under construction in Turkey.
Any Ships under construction for Ukraine and are cancelled would be put on the Market as are, no takers and they are scrapped.

 

[StobieWan]

We know that it's triple packed into the ExLS cannister which can also be used in the Mk-41 VLS. It's still useful and whilst not four three's still a good loadout.

That'd be 96 missiles in total - with the ability to switch out to carrying the future cruise/anti ship missile as well. Personally I'd take that in a heart beat.

 

[StobieWan]

The future of the missile boats for Ukraine is looking doubtful.. Any chance the RN might take up the order if need be? Not a normal fit for the RN but they seemed like a promising design

500 ton, 50 metre missile boats - not a good fit for the RN -I would say they'd perhaps be marketed to another nation or simply scrapped. It is beginning to look like Putin's throw of the dice has come up short however -the Ukrainians may yet be smacking a bottle of vodka over the bow of the first in class in a while at this rate.

 

[kato]

The Baltic Three would probably take them off your hands for a good discount.

 

[At lakes]

Can you please post a link to these Boats, most of us have no idea what Boats you are talking about. It is good posting etiquette on here.

Ukraine Approves Framework Agreement with the UK - Naval News

The Ukrainian Parliament on January 27 adopted the law on ratification of the Framework Agreement between Ukraine and the UK on financial support for the country's naval forces capacity building. This paves the way to the procurement of Babcock-built P-50U Fast Inshore Attack Craft (FIAC) by...

www.navalnews.com

here is the link to the vessels in question for the Ukraine Navy being built in the UK

 

[Redlands18]

Ukraine Approves Framework Agreement with the UK - Naval News

The Ukrainian Parliament on January 27 adopted the law on ratification of the Framework Agreement between Ukraine and the UK on financial support for the country's naval forces capacity building. This paves the way to the procurement of Babcock-built P-50U Fast Inshore Attack Craft (FIAC) by...

www.navalnews.com

here is the link to the vessels in question for the Ukraine Navy being built in the UK

Thanks @At lakes and that article shows there is a lot more then just the Missile Boats under construction. There is also 1 Ada class Corvette and 20 French Built Inshore Patrol Boats.

 

[Systems Adict]

...& here's some of the latest news on Type 26 programme...

1st Type 26 to hit the water later this year

 

[JohnJT]

We know that it's triple packed into the ExLS cannister which can also be used in the Mk-41 VLS. It's still useful and whilst not four three's still a good loadout.

Do you have a source for this? I've never seen any documentation from anyone saying triple packed in ExLS, only quad.
LM's own documentation clearly states:

... As a result, the basic building block to deploy is three cells, each cell quad-packed with four CAMM munitions.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/cont..._ExLS_Launcher_Product_Card_8.5x11_042419.pdf

Thanks!

 

[JohnJT]

b. The Ivor Huitfeldt carries 32 Mk41 (and 24 or so Mk 56) so one would imagine fitting the to T31 would just be a matter of reverting to the original design, fitting Ceptor where the Mk 56 is.

That's not possible in the T31 because the space occupied by the original Mk56 launchers is where the two extra boat bays are on the T31. The missile launchers would protrude down into that space.

 

[JohnJT]

...& here's some of the latest news on Type 26 programme...

1st Type 26 to hit the water later this year

HMS Glasgow looks like she is coming along nicely.

 

[JohnJT]

Now, here's a thing, at least one person I know from the RN has told me that the manufacturers of CAMM say Sea Ceptor doesn't quad pack in MK41 - it was something they were looking at, never got to work and it's still in the literature but hasn't been integrated as yet.

It's possible that the original information was overtaken by events and Lockmart did the integration at some point - maybe the quad pack not-happening referred to Sylver only - it's frustrating as my source is a very bright RN guy who's definitely not prone to flights of imagination on this stuff.

Seems to be some ambiguity there. No quad pack in Sylver makes sense as the cells are smaller than Mk 41.
Maybe your source could clarify? Thanks!

 

[ngatimozart]

That's not possible in the T31 because the space occupied by the original Mk56 launchers is where the two extra boat bays are on the T31. The missile launchers would protrude down into that space.

Easy, don't uses the second set of boat bays. Go back to the Iver Huitfeld layout. The OMT F370 is flexible. There's actually quite a bit you can do with it and the Type 31 is just one variant. As far as I am concerned the Type 31 is a bastardised design, an oversized OPV and a waste of a perfectly good design.

 

[KiwiRob]

Easy, don't uses the second set of boat bays. Go back to the Iver Huitfeld layout. The OMT F370 is flexible. There's actually quite a bit you can do with it and the Type 31 is just one variant. As far as I am concerned the Type 31 is a bastardised design, an oversized OPV and a waste of a perfectly good design.

Interestingly the Polish and Indonesians are buying the design from Babcocks not OMT.

The Danes have announced they will be building 1 to 3 new frigates, they haven't said if it will be more Iver's or a new design.

 

[StobieWan]

Easy, don't uses the second set of boat bays. Go back to the Iver Huitfeld layout. The OMT F370 is flexible. There's actually quite a bit you can do with it and the Type 31 is just one variant. As far as I am concerned the Type 31 is a bastardised design, an oversized OPV and a waste of a perfectly good design.

I am absolutely certain that if you told Babcock you wanted it with photon torpedoes, they'd mark them as "GFE" and nod enthusiastically. We're getting, as you say, a very lean armament fit but it'll do for the roles the RN needs to back fill for. I do expect the Type 32 will end up being more of a frigate like build of the Arrowhead.

For me, the interesting thing about Type 31 is it's been a very different way of running a ship design contest and it stands an excellent chance of coming in on time and in budget, so here's hoping.

 

[ngatimozart]

I am absolutely certain that if you told Babcock you wanted it with photon torpedoes, they'd mark them as "GFE" and nod enthusiastically. We're getting, as you say, a very lean armament fit but it'll do for the roles the RN needs to back fill for. I do expect the Type 32 will end up being more of a frigate like build of the Arrowhead.

For me, the interesting thing about Type 31 is it's been a very different way of running a ship design contest and it stands an excellent chance of coming in on time and in budget, so here's hoping.

Ok, photon torpedoes, warp drive powered by dilithium crystals and flux capacitors in series powering a death star beam.

I read somewhere that the OMT F370 design team are now working out of Babcocks in the UK anyway. How true that is I don't know, but it would make sense in a lot of ways.

 

[StobieWan]

Ok, photon torpedoes, warp drive powered by dilithium crystals and flux capacitors in series powering a death star beam.

I read somewhere that the OMT F370 design team are now working out of Babcocks in the UK anyway. How true that is I don't know, but it would make sense in a lot of ways.

It would actually make excellent sense - the Danes would keep a ship design capability fresh and not withering on the vine and Babcock would have access to the original design team - that strikes me as a win for both sides.

 

[T.C.P]

Absolutely not. The Royal Navy does not have spare cash for a missile boat and would not find a good use for one.

If work has not already started and it becomes clear that Ukraine will not be able to keep access to a naval port and construction yard (only 2 of the 8 were to be built in the UK) or a puppet government will be installed, the order will be cancelled.

If work has already started it will just be on the hull(s), so probably easy to scrap or temporarily stop work. Alternatively another buyer might be found.

Man the UK boats and the Turkish Corvettes would be a great steal for Bangladesh, but we don't use Western missiles. They woul dhave to be fitted with Chinese systems.

We have bought second hand stuff from the UK recently, the C-130s, some hydrographic survey vessels and 2 castle class OPVs. The Castle we retrofitted with Chinese C-704s. Our navy still uses some Otomats, but thats only for 1 Ulsan class frigate.