From the little I've read on it, CAAM/CAMM is one of several MBDA projects being worked on under contract to the MoD, mainly in the UK.
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I agree it's low end stuff but its just that how can you have a ship that's only so-so capable yet able to deliver choke point escort? From what- Subs, ships, aircraft, spears? All of the above? If your carrying out these types of missions surely the proverbial has hit the fan so how useful would they really be?
Only exception I can think of if it really is a minor country that's causing the dispute.
Musashi_kenshin
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the German F125 is what is being described as a stablisation ops ship. so look at the specs.
a GP Frigate the gist is to defend your ship against all threats from all types of enemy. point defense VLS, Sonar and torpedoes against subs, CIWS for last line of defense and small vessels. and ASuW against ships. so that the ship will be a suitable threat in a choke point situation.
Of course RIBs and Helicopters are important
Umm, escort and localized control is an important mission of (Western) naval forces nowadays. See OEF TF150 or OAE STROG.
harryriedl's F125 comparison isn't strictly correct, as the F125 project is not "mainline navy" and designed to a specific doctrine.
Realising Maritime Security Operations are ongoing in the gulf of Aden, gulf of Oman, the Arabian sea, red sea and Indian ocean as part of OEF TF 150 and in the Mediterranean sea as part of OAE.
The presence these coalition forces are showing the world are as evident and important in maintaining order as they are diverse by including ships from nations as far away as Pakistan.
By far and large these operations have been mainly peaceful and so successful. My point was hypothetical in how would these vessels ( C2 / 4,000t frigate ) be able to cope in a hotter treat environment against real state owned enemy aircraft and naval assets?
Would it be true to say in sea denial / intercept ops against Al Qaeda the C2 class of FSC would be in it's element, anything hotter it would only be employed as part of a package and so to some extent protected?
On a different point which parts of the world would the C3 OCPV likely be seen? UK EEZ, Falkland Is, Caribbean, anywhere else? East of Suez?
On a different point which parts of the world would the C3 OCPV likely be seen? UK EEZ, Falkland Is, Caribbean, anywhere else? East of Suez?
imagine that C3 would be seen in those place and possibly the Med and the standing NATO forces. Also don't forget that the design might be adopted as part of the Mine hunting force
the C2 i imagine would be equipped for combat hotter than just suicide boats of the AL Qaeda , Iran [boghammer types]. it would be equipped to deal with a proper threat level say Argentina in 1982 to deny the sea to them and be a threat to Argentina assets.
RubiconNZ
The Wanderer
French and British Contractors Announce Progress in PA2/CVF Co-Operation
(Source: DCNS; issued Nov. 16, 2007 in Defense-Aerospace.com)
PARIS --- A step has just been achieved in the co-operation between the French PA2 aircraft carrier programme and the British CVF programme.
French and British contractors involved in these programmes — DCNS and Aker Yards for France, BAE Systems, VT Shipbuilding, Thales Naval and Babcock Support Services for the United Kingdom — have confirmed their desire to co-operate by signing a co-operation agreement.
This agreement is the result of the collaboration, to the benefit of these programmes, undertaken since early 2005.
The agreement lays down the general provisions for co-operation for the Development and Manufacture and In-service support of the PA2 and CVF vessels. This agreement on the French and British carrier projects represents a new milestone between French and British naval shipbuilders.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cg...488378.VCj3A38AAAEAABFpRqAAAAAb&modele=jdc_34
Well good to see some progress here. Just another step closer to the build stage.
(Source: DCNS; issued Nov. 16, 2007 in Defense-Aerospace.com)
PARIS --- A step has just been achieved in the co-operation between the French PA2 aircraft carrier programme and the British CVF programme.
French and British contractors involved in these programmes — DCNS and Aker Yards for France, BAE Systems, VT Shipbuilding, Thales Naval and Babcock Support Services for the United Kingdom — have confirmed their desire to co-operate by signing a co-operation agreement.
This agreement is the result of the collaboration, to the benefit of these programmes, undertaken since early 2005.
The agreement lays down the general provisions for co-operation for the Development and Manufacture and In-service support of the PA2 and CVF vessels. This agreement on the French and British carrier projects represents a new milestone between French and British naval shipbuilders.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cg...488378.VCj3A38AAAEAABFpRqAAAAAb&modele=jdc_34
Well good to see some progress here. Just another step closer to the build stage.
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the link dosn't work
also the steel is meant to be cut next year so not long at all
Readers may be interested in this site which deals with some of the issues affecting the RN.
http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/index.php
http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/index.php
Very ordinary site.
He rolls out the old argument that the RN can't do another Falklands :roll. Of course, the opposite is true, the RN of '82 hung on for dear life, totally out of its depth. Yet the RN under construction could manage a similar operation with aplomb.
personally i quite like these kinds of sites even if they are agit-prop as if they get any kind of publicity's you can force the politicos to pay for what you want/require. [revolt of the Admarials ]
Matthew_Reid
New Member
Well, to be fair they are building the new Type 45 Destroyer, but they are cutting back on commisioned ships though. I'm not sure where the Navy's going.
perfectgeneral
New Member
HMS Diamond hits the Clyde
The river Clyde that is, not the ship.
The third ship of the D class (type 45) was launched today. The BBC tucked the item away in the Scotland section and made no mention of a possible order for ships 7 and 8 ( 9! ). The MoD and RN websites have nothing at all to say about the launch of Diamond. Weird .
The river Clyde that is, not the ship.
The third ship of the D class (type 45) was launched today. The BBC tucked the item away in the Scotland section and made no mention of a possible order for ships 7 and 8 ( 9! ). The MoD and RN websites have nothing at all to say about the launch of Diamond. Weird
.Matthew_Reid
New Member
I know, I was there Today doing the Guard of Honour. It was a spectacular sight though.
Matthew_Reid
New Member
Was anybody actually at the launch of HMS Diamond Tuesday?
Super Nimrod
New Member
The MOD website now has it.
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/EquipmentAndLogistics/DiamondCutsTheWaves.htm
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/EquipmentAndLogistics/DiamondCutsTheWaves.htm
wow thats one cool ship. some of the stats and facts are incredible. when is the in service date for the first one, does anyone know? the navy has been suffering from defence cuts but hopefully the military should be getting some more cash. a few days ago i read something about all these high ranking military leaders signing a pertition and writing some abusive letter to gordon brown demanding more funding and apparently the idea has worked!
Musashi_kenshin
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Autumn 2008 - Delivered
Autumn/Winter 2009 - In service