Definitely off the agrarian stuff, and to be honest, probably best pick up the RAN/RNZN stuff in the <drumroll> RAN or RNZN sections
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I will have to get a copy, I wonder if it will be easier to get permission or forgiveness :unknown
Like I've said ad nauseum, the UK is great at platforms they just didn't have the money to build many of them nor to perfect the systems they fitted to the ones they could afford to build. Love the look of the Tigers and the cancelled guided missile cruisers but have never seen so much as a line drawing of the conceptual post war 8" heavy cruisers.
Really? Well it could be argued that as part of the Commonwealth.....Definitely off the agrarian stuff, and to be honest, probably best pick up the RAN/RNZN stuff in the <drumroll> RAN or RNZN sections
Maybe I could try my luck at starting a new thread, either post war navies in general or more specifically commonwealth navies.
Heheh..I don't mind the RAN/RNZN stuff too much but I'd defo like to see less of the cow juice banter
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I've just picked up a kindle copy of the book about HMS Conqueror, and I'm about half way through. It's fascinating - not sure if this got reported a bit back but one of thee murkier missions involving conqueror was apparently the theft of a towed sonar array from an intelligence gathering trawler.
I'm sort of stunned that part one of the process of stealing a device specifically designed to detect submarines is to ..sneak up on said device, whilst active and in use.
Having done that, activate the James Bond style grabbing claws of doom, seize TSA, and scamper off with several tons of stolen soviet hardware.
As a caper, it's impressive.
More or less back on topic :
I've just picked up a kindle copy of the book about HMS Conqueror, and I'm about half way through. It's fascinating - not sure if this got reported a bit back but one of thee murkier missions involving conqueror was apparently the theft of a towed sonar array from an intelligence gathering trawler.
I'm sort of stunned that part one of the process of stealing a device specifically designed to detect submarines is to ..sneak up on said device, whilst active and in use.
Having done that, activate the James Bond style grabbing claws of doom, seize TSA, and scamper off with several tons of stolen soviet hardware.
As a caper, it's impressive.
kev 99
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Allegedly this mission is the reason why the log book went missing, nothing to do with belgrano at all.Heheh..I don't mind the RAN/RNZN stuff too much but I'd defo like to see less of the cow juice banter
More or less back on topic :
I've just picked up a kindle copy of the book about HMS Conqueror, and I'm about half way through. It's fascinating - not sure if this got reported a bit back but one of thee murkier missions involving conqueror was apparently the theft of a towed sonar array from an intelligence gathering trawler.
I'm sort of stunned that part one of the process of stealing a device specifically designed to detect submarines is to ..sneak up on said device, whilst active and in use.
Having done that, activate the James Bond style grabbing claws of doom, seize TSA, and scamper off with several tons of stolen soviet hardware.
As a caper, it's impressive.
Never been quite sure why the loss of the log featured in the conspiracy theories seeing as how HMG were happy enough to cough up to Conqueror and Belgrano being outside the exclusion zone at the time of the sinking.
Surely that's simply something both sides agree on already?
Surely that's simply something both sides agree on already?
kev 99
Member
Conspiracy theories and common sense don't make great bedfellows.
kev 99
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I'll have a look through my copy in the next couple of days, as I can't remember specifically if Heavy cruisers are covered, I think they are but I wouldn't want you to shell out for nothing.
Edit - after taking a look it doesn't appear to mention much about Heavy cruisers, lots of drawings for cruisers with 6" guns but nothing on 8" cruisers.
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Friedman’s “British Cruisers” as the name suggests has more information on various cruiser classes and proposals. Though DK Brown’s book is by far the best book on post war RN planning and general naval architecture as well.
There were two heavy cruiser designs conceived for the RN during WWII. The first one was a real monster, almost a battle cruiser, of about 25,000 tonnes with 9x9.2” guns or a heap of 8” guns. The second a more conventional ship with three triple 8” guns and six twin 4.5” secondaries. It was flush decked and looked like a British styled Baltimore class heavy cruiser with higher freeboard and chunkier but smaller superstructure. The vertical of this ship is a copyrighted sketch and is in Friedman’s book.
Post war most of the RN cruiser designs were six inchers and a few five inchers. The last cruiser design of the RN that was almost built as the Duke of Edinburgh class in the late 1950s has two twin automatic 6” turrets forward and a Sea Slug launcher aft. It also had the powerful ‘Beer Keg’ 3D radar and at 18,000 tonnes would have been a major ship. There is a picture of its constructor’s model online here:
ROYAL_NAVY_SHIPS_THE_UPS_AND_DOWNS_OF_CLASSES_AND_TYPES
There were two heavy cruiser designs conceived for the RN during WWII. The first one was a real monster, almost a battle cruiser, of about 25,000 tonnes with 9x9.2” guns or a heap of 8” guns. The second a more conventional ship with three triple 8” guns and six twin 4.5” secondaries. It was flush decked and looked like a British styled Baltimore class heavy cruiser with higher freeboard and chunkier but smaller superstructure. The vertical of this ship is a copyrighted sketch and is in Friedman’s book.
Post war most of the RN cruiser designs were six inchers and a few five inchers. The last cruiser design of the RN that was almost built as the Duke of Edinburgh class in the late 1950s has two twin automatic 6” turrets forward and a Sea Slug launcher aft. It also had the powerful ‘Beer Keg’ 3D radar and at 18,000 tonnes would have been a major ship. There is a picture of its constructor’s model online here:
ROYAL_NAVY_SHIPS_THE_UPS_AND_DOWNS_OF_CLASSES_AND_TYPES
Thanks guys, I need to expand my library anyway so will look at getting both.
I already have a couple of Freidman books including The Post War Naval Revolution, which has a fair bit of info on the 5 and 6" cruiser concepts and designs.
kev 99
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At the risk of being captain obvious if you haven't read Eric Grove's: "Vanguard to Trident" then you should track a copy down as well.
kev 99
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It's worth having a look on ebay as new copies are rather expensive, I managed to track a copy down for a tenner.
I still look in there but there are a number of people that keep threads going way past there sell by date just so they can ram their opinions home ad nauseum.
Reading constantly about the MOD building the wrong type of aircraft carriers is rather boring even if you agree with it and the debate is well past it's sell by date anyway.
StevoJH
The Bunker Group
I only really look into their fiction page now to be honest. wb, JN, New Gonlconda and HMS Pinafore write some interesting stuff.
Just ordered a copy for £22 from a London seller, so I'm happy.
It's been on my "to do" list for a couple of years now, be good to get it on the book shelf!
Nah I wrote that she owes me and the reason why but thought better of it an deleted the comment
Vanguard to Trident is a great book - found it in the Menzies Library at ANU back in '92... - but some of the newer books have a lot more tech info. V to T covers a lot of the political, Admiralty side of it whereas DK Brown's Rebuilding the RN covers more of the technical side.
kev 99
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Second that, you really want both for the full pictture.