ridiculous?let me try to illustrate what is really ridiculous in my eyes?
1.ChenSB is know as the "prsident" of the Public of China,but it seemed that he always focued on remove the "country" from the people'mind,and how ironical it is that people finally found what he cared about indeed is how to satisfy the rapacious appetite of his whole family and how to escape the punishment for the heavily corruption after his grimy transaction was exposured,anyone who has paid attention to Taiwan might remember the tremendous strike against him and his regime,in which over 1500,000 people participated on September and October,2006,and ChenSB definitely knows well what is waiting for him once he lost his power,in order to avoid to be thrown into jail,ChenSB has provoked a clash between the people living in Taiwan and at the same time he kept defing the red line again and again,what he wanted is a war between the strait thus he could invent an excuse to enforce martial law and suspend the "presient-election" next year which is deemed as abolition of democratic system-what a ridiculous "democracy -pioneer" he is,however,there is one thing we surely understand that ChenSB absolutely welcome the naive and tragic sacrifice,being taken advantaged of by such a evil schemer is purely ridiculous and worthless.
So your claiming that Chen is attempting to start a war in the streight so he can suspend the constitution and istall himself as dictator?
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Mate you have been taking those PLA press releases to seriosly! It sounds like a bad Tom Clancy movie, and is just bad propaganda, (something the PLA is renound for)..... maybe you should take every theatrical report you hear on state owned TV with a pinch of salt. I would
The clod hard fact of the matter is the majority of the Taiwanese people do NOT want reunification, and ELLECTED a pro-indipendance government in free ellections. Although that doesnt sit too well with the stroy coming out of PLA HQ does it? You know the corrupt government provoking the benevolant (sic) Peoples (sic) Republic of China, while exploiting the poor average citizen who only wants to be brought back into the communist (sic) fold. REALITY tends to be different from the PLA's take on things i've found.
2. The words that defending a small liberal democracy from a totalitarian communist regime is actually ridiculous and hypocritical slogan which is completely different from reality.Do you know how many people who lived the so-called "small liberal democracy" before have settled down where you called "totalitarian communist",acorrding to the Taiwan's mediea report,despite of strictly limitation of Taiwan,at least 20,000 living in ShangHai not including the huge amount living in other city of "totalitarian communist regime" such as Beijing.I just advise you that have a look what really China is but please leave your out-dated bias behind.It is undeniable that there is significant defferent understanding of democracy between China and some western developed countries,what we should do is trying to understand and respect each other,any slogan and decision based on the bias with cold-war fashion means nothing but a ridiculous joke.
The fact that a number of taiwanese people moved to PROC has more to do with economic opportunities than politics mate.
As for your "definition of democracy", that one made me laugh. Hitler and Stalin had their "definition's of democracy" too mate, so were the contries they lead democratic? Hell no. Here in a real liberal democracy we just had this thing called an ellection. In this thing called an ellection we, as a people decided to change our government, and when our previous leader and his party saw the will of the people, he congratulated the victor and gave up his office. That is a true liberal deomacracy my freind, and i played my part in it. You as a chinese citizen have virtually no political power what-so-ever. Hell AFAIK you dont even have an assured right of political communication. Therefore how can you, or any group of chinese citizens (who are not members of the communist party) have any real effect on the policy of your government, or even be properly informed without a free press or a right of political communication? IIRC the last bunch of students who tried, peacefully i might add, got slaughtered in the streets of Bejing. But you keep beleiving that the only difference between or systems of government is a definition, if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy at night. However the reality is PROC is a long, long, long way from even resembleing a democracy, and if you think that partial economic liberalism and a growing sence of nationalism makes you a democracy then i feel sorry for you. This is the only definition of democracy you should wory about, in a real democracy, the power truely lays with the people, in china the power lays with the communist party, and untill that changes you will not be a democracy by any definition.
As for the notion that PROC being a "totalitarian communist regime" as "outdated bias", well i'll give you one thing, PROC is definatly not communist any more. You see i thought communism was basically an economic movement which followed the marxist/lennonist ideology of a state owned, sociallist utopia, and the communist party itself justified its dictatorship by claiming it was needed to defend the revoloution of the prolatariate. It seems now it has embraced the free-market, capitalism, individual wealth generation and the polarization of wealth. So what is its justification for its stranglehold on power since it isnt defending a socialist revoloution any more i wonder??? Self preservation perhaps??? Ahh thats right, its a different definition of democracy!
PROC is a totalitarian regime by Arendt's definition of the term, it ruthlessly exterminates any other political party than the communist party, it represses peacefull religious groups especially in Tibet, opresses ethinc minorities, and controlls the ditribution of information. That is a totalitarian regime my freind, and i'm wondering why somehow its hypocritical of me as an Australian citizen to state that fact!?!
Put simply the chinese communist party has vitiously cracked down on any political "desent" or critisism, especially of peacefull political parties, and thats not a "cold war slogan" thats in the last 5 years.
This extract is from Amnesty International, a non profit international organziation who's aim is to preserve human rights across the globe:
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Covering events from January - December 2004
There was progress towards reform in some areas, but this failed to have a significant impact on serious and widespread human rights violations perpetrated across the country. Tens of thousands of people continued to be detained or imprisoned in violation of their fundamental human rights and were at high risk of torture or ill-treatment. Thousands of people were sentenced to death or executed, many after unfair trials. Public protests increased against forcible evictions and land requisition without adequate compensation. China continued to use the global “war on terrorism” to justify its crackdown on the Uighur community in Xinjiang. Freedom of expression and religion continued to be severely restricted in Tibet and other Tibetan areas of China."
And on political crackdowns:
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Political activists and Internet users
Political activists, including supporters of banned political groups, or those calling for political change or greater democracy continued to be arbitrarily detained and in some cases sentenced and imprisoned. By the end of the year, AI had records of more than 50 people who had been detained or imprisoned after accessing or circulating politically sensitive information on the Internet.
Kong Youping , a leading member of the Chinese Democratic Party and former union activist in Liaoning province, was sentenced to 15 years’ imprisonment in September for “subversion”. He had been detained in late 2003 after posting articles on the Internet attacking official corruption and urging a reassessment of the 1989 pro-democracy movement."
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/chn-summary-eng
THAT is the reality in china. One party, one idelology, one choice, or of cource persecution and imprisonment. But i guess thats all propaganda right and benevolant party is the one telling the truth huh?
As for more understanding, i only have admiration for the people of china, i knwo many personally, however i do have a problem with the chinese communist party, and i would hope any informed person with a concionce would too.
3.The moral expectation of Australia is not that involving a war without a correct understanding of the war which he probably involves in,not that sacrifice his boys without a correct understanding of their counterparters whom they probably fight for,not that wasting huge amount of money without a correct understanding of the purpose which it probably pays for,not that being the enemy of 1.4 billion people without a correct understanding of the people what kind the people actually are.What is the moral expectation of Australia is that respecting the difference between different ethnic and differnt countries,help the people in AP region develop their economy,improve their education quality,promote their life level.
My understanding of the conflict is that for over 50 years the island of taiwan has had self governance and is truely indipendant in everthing but its name, it IS a true liberal democracy, the majority of Taiwanese people want indipendance, and the vastly more powerfull communist mainland is ammasing huge ammounts of military force and intends (under the right sircumstances) to militarily impose its soverignty and system of government upon taiwan who in reality has been a different nation for half a century. It seems the mainlands motive for this is a sence of nationalism and a claim to soverignty, the economic leverage controll of the island would grant PROC over Japan, resentment over a civil war that happened 50 years ago (even though the taiwan of today is not the "other side" who the commies were fighting against) and a percieved need for regional hedgemony. However any moral high ground PROC feels it has for governance over Taiwan is rendered irrelevent by one fact, the PEOPLE of taiwan want indipendance, therefore any military occupation of taiwan by proc would be as much as a liberation or reunification as the invasion and annexation of Tibet. That is my understanding of the conflict.
Anyway thats beside the point. The Americans stand by their friends, and so do we. THAT will be the primary factor of Australia entering the conflict, our allies, and we dont abandon them because of who they are fighting. If we would make an enemy of 1.4 billion people then that is unfortunite, perhaps you should think twice before starting a war with one of the most powerfull economic and military alliances on the plannet by invading a nation that is an order of magnitide smaller than you. Is regional hedgemony worth that?
Everyone i know this is miles
fftopic and i appolagise but i thought it needed a response.
