T-72 T-55

eckherl

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If you have rebuilt and purged them out, (removed condensation) the next step is to mount them and calibrate them to the maingun, calibration composes of aligning these components to the gun, thus the way I mentioned in my prior post, after boresighting the next thing that you want to do is zero the gun at specific ranges. Also you really do not need to calibrate a drivers night sight, just mount it and make sure that it works. Russian T series tanks pretty much follow the same proceedures. Also - how many T-55`s do the Iraqi`s actually have left versus Type 59/69`s.
 

laiwally

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they have many more t-55 than t-72. all the units must be adjusted in test fixtures seperatly before being adjusted to the main gun.
 

eckherl

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they have many more t-55 than t-72. all the units must be adjusted in test fixtures seperatly before being adjusted to the main gun.
Okay - then you are most likely still rebuilding/refurbishing these systems and need fixtures equipped with power adapters to test them during mirror or prizm alignment while aligning reticles in some cases. Again - if you are a working with the U.S and Iraqi governments then they would be able to point you in the right direction for a vendor. General Dynamics has a excellant relationship with Ukrainian and Polish T series vendors. Also, is it not a true fact that there are more Type 59/69s than any other type of (OLD) pre war MBTs laying around salvage and rebuild yards in Iraq.
 

laiwally

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what i meant is they have (in operating condition) many T-55 than they do T-72. With the T-72 from Hungary, they have less than 100. T-55 they have many more.
 

eckherl

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what i meant is they have (in operating condition) many T-55 than they do T-72. With the T-72 from Hungary, they have less than 100. T-55 they have many more.
Okay - now I am suspect for what you really are trying to accomplish here. Iraq has more than 100 T-72`s, Iraq has very smal numbers of Russian T-55 tanks due to attrition caused by Gulf Wars 1 and 2, the Type 59 and 69 played more of a factor in Gulf War 3. If you are a U.S contractor then this would not be a issue for you to get more than a handfull of different companies that would be willing to cut each others throat for that package deal, hell - even Irainian companies may be willing to assist with this. I have given you information on a proper calibration for these specific tanks and you cannot be more specific on what you are actually needing and I have to ask myself why.
 

laiwally

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i am not going to argue this with you. I met with col. Ali at the 9th mech, and he is the one who provided the numbers of vehicles. they have many more 55s than 72s. it also suprised me.
 

Feanor

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Iraq most likely had more 55's to begin with. And as it wasn't the entire Iraqi Army that fought, but only parts of it (much of it simply came apart at the seams at first sight of the enemy) it's only logical that proporionatly more 55's survived.
 

eckherl

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They do not have alot of original Russian T-55 tanks left in their inventory, Type 59 and 69s they do have many of these which is a copy of a Russian T-55. What are the Iraqi`s going to do with all the T-62s that they still have many of.
 

eckherl

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those are not even on my depot list
I know that they still had some of them after the last conflict, I would think that they would like to keep these over the Type 59 and 69s due to a pretty good gun caliber, 115mm. Plus Russia has a pretty good upgrade package for theirs that includes K5 tiles.In fact they may be willing to off load some of theirs at bargain prices.

The Chinese have also have included a pretty good upgrade package for Pakistani Type 69 tanks that include a ERA package and a 125mm maingun.

What ever they want to do there are plenty of companies out there that would be willing to help.
 

Feanor

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UVZ offers a full upgrade kit for the T-55 which includes rebuilding part of the hull, a 125mm main gun and a new road wheel (in addition to K5, and other mods). For the T-72's you can get the T-72B2 Rogatka which includes Relikt ERA, new maingun, new FCS, and many other mods. Essentially you'd be bringing the 72's close to and in some aspects superior to a T-90A.
 

eckherl

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Hmm - all this just seems odd, General Dynamics at the current moment along with other vendors are setting up a logistical program with training for the Iraqi army to recieve western designed tanks, an estimated 700 - 800 of them. They may use a few Type 69s for security duties but that may be about it. There is also another big batch of T-72s that Iraq will be recieving in the near future that has been worked out with support.
 

eckherl

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What western tanks would they receive? M60A3?
Yes - along with the M60A1 and M48A5. Something also is brewing for at least one or two mechanized divisions to recieve a more advanced present day MBT, I think that I may know what they are working on getting but you guy`s may think that I am wacko for even speculating on this. :D
 

Feanor

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M48's? Ewww. Even Saddam's old T-72M1 export variants were better then those old things.

EDIT: I just realized you cheated us. What's your speculation? Come on tell us. That way we can make fun of you if it turns out to be totally wrong, or be in awe if you hit the bullseye :)
 

eckherl

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M48's? Ewww. Even Saddam's old T-72M1 export variants were better then those old things.

EDIT: I just realized you cheated us. What's your speculation? Come on tell us. That way we can make fun of you if it turns out to be totally wrong, or be in awe if you hit the bullseye :)
Actually I have it narrowed down to two different models:

Al-Khalid or T- 84s.
 

Feanor

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T-84 isn't a western tank. It's ukranian. While westernized variants exist, it doesn't look like a good candidate. It's an elite and very modern MBT. It would make the M-48's look like the old junk they are. Makes little sense to get a butload of old Cold War-era western tanks, and then a handful of modern Ukranian MBT's. As for the Al-Khalid, I don't know enough to comment. Why not give them some old M1's, like the M1A1 that Egypt, and initally Saudi, got? Don't forget Ukraine is also very politically unstable. Right now it's sort of pro-Western. The government, though not the people so much. Tomorrow it might turn into a Russian sattelite. And then you've paved the road for Russian influence on the Iraqi arms market.
 
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