Super Battleship Proposal

[Belesari]

I will have to say the US has only stopped the airborne laser. The reason is that its in many ways a dead end tech.

It uses huge amounts of extremely toxic chemicals to produce the power it did.

Solid state lasers and such are rapidly becoming ever more powerful.

So its not so much a camt do or that lasers themselves arent good as it is that particular branch of technology isnt.

I sincerely hope you are joking!!

Firstly you want a ship which can bombard an entire continent??? WHy not just use nukes, cleaner and more efiicient. If you want to annihilate a country why not use WMDs, that are already available.

As for laser defence, CIWS Gun and missile systems perform better. Lasers may look cool in TV shows, but in real life they have not proved to be a great defense against missiles or air craft, theres a reason why the US scrapped their laser ABM defense plans.

Do you have any idea how costly it would be to build a millon ton ship abd how easy a target it would be. If that ship is so threatening, it will have a bull eye mark on it for enemy nukes.

Nuclear Submarines are better and can ensure more destruction then your imaginary supership!

 

[Belesari]

Yes ill agree with you there the Panther was a good medium tank. Part of the problem was so many german systems were so complex. The Russian and American tanks were on the contrary very simple to build, repair, and use.

The Maus and Ferdinand.....I see you have forgotten their Other SUPER tank...

Nazi documents and plans are full of insane overly large and complex idea's. Hell look at their heavy fighters.

For the same price in men and material as used in the construction and manning of the Bismarck and Tripitz how many Uboats could have been built?

Don't lump the Panther in with the oversized & unreliable heavies. It cost very little more than the Pzkw IV, & was considerably more powerful.

If the Germans hadn't bothered with the Tiger, King Tiger, Ferdinand, Maus, etc., & instead built as many Panthers as possible, they'd have done a lot better. They could have built almost twice as many Panthers, which would have been far more effective than the much smaller number of heavies & super-heavies.

But your main point is correct. Wunderwaffe (Panther wasn't one: it was a bigger & better tank than its predecessors, but still a medium tank with trade-offs between protection & firepower, designed with cost & ease of building & deployability in mind) rarely achieve what is hoped. They're usually a waste of resources, particularly design & engineering skills.

 

[sfcwelch]

sfcwelch

Such ships are usually referred to as monitors.

I.E. The Monitor.

If its unable to utilize all aspects for defense and offense, as U boys say its a lark,

a very very expensive lark.

On the other hand delivering seals thru the 30" tubes a lower charge of course, using a stealth ed container should be able to drop them in at say 300 miles or so with a slight rocket assist. The container made of paper could be set to look like a meteorite continuing on after drop and disintegrating into a shower, this sends everybody off to find pieces of meteorite and away from our men. pieces of meteorite are worth $30 or $40 dollars a gram.

The round for the 30" should have no charges, we will land enough on the enemy ship to sink it the same way the elephant seals sink anchored yachts. Or perhaps shoot the elephant seals themselves, and save the environment in the process.

The elephant seals should make quite a mess, once everyone is thoroughly sick we can waltz in and put them all in the lifeboats. Then take the ship to our navy yard and use its steel to make more Monitors (super battleships).

The first one is gonna take a lot of steel 1 million tons?

We could sacrifice all the steel bridges in say one or two states that ought to be enough to make one at least.

In order for a ship to survive in the coming future it needs to be able to submerge when needed, and rise out of the water when needed.

Other aspects can be inferred from the a for mentioned, any ideas? I have several.

 

[swerve]

The Maus and Ferdinand.....I see you have forgotten their Other SUPER tank...

Ratte? Not forgotten, but AFAIK they didn't actually build it.

 

[sfcwelch]

Ratte? Not forgotten, but AFAIK they didn't actually build it.

but they did several times over the centurys.
have U considered the full implication of the aspects

 

[plasmahawk]

ok... million ton.. im not even going to bother entertaining this. no one wants to park a ship.

how wars are done in modern age

1) destabilize country if possible and politicly overthrow
2) destabilize finances/business of a country
3) try to destabilize politicly again
4) sanction
5) precision bombing
6) global bombers are more likely here
7) send in troops, crush country, pay off government


8) nuke the entire site from orbit, its the only way to be sure....


and for real, your big ol ship idea is perfect slow moving prey to a couple of chinese ASBMs... with a nuclear warhead which can mirv on the way down..

Anti-ship ballistic missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Peace and love you dreamers!
Plas

 

[Belesari]

Ah the other end of the spectrum.

Hey the other guy just built a supership.......WE MUST HAVE A WUNDERWEAPON!

The Chinese ASBM is a weapon. However the US has been working on BMD for a long time we have ships who shoot them down. With more powerful lasers and railguns we could see such weapons either lose their terror rapidly or go away.

Add to that the use of a nuke on a fleet IS going to get a nuclear response from the US which will means a nuclear war. The chinese missiles are more than likely equiped with penetrators. Which we have ships missiles to intercept.

Its evolution ya'll. For every advance in offensive weapons there is a advance in defensive systems or tactics, etc....

We tried that with the Nuke and carrier debate. So we had to scramble in Korea.

ok... million ton.. im not even going to bother entertaining this. no one wants to park a ship.

how wars are done in modern age

1) destabilize country if possible and politicly overthrow
2) destabilize finances/business of a country
3) try to destabilize politicly again
4) sanction
5) precision bombing
6) global bombers are more likely here
7) send in troops, crush country, pay off government


8) nuke the entire site from orbit, its the only way to be sure....


and for real, your big ol ship idea is perfect slow moving prey to a couple of chinese ASBMs... with a nuclear warhead which can mirv on the way down..

Anti-ship ballistic missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Peace and love you dreamers!
Plas

 

[assymmetric]

Ah the other end of the spectrum.

Hey the other guy just built a supership.......WE MUST HAVE A WUNDERWEAPON!

The Chinese ASBM is a weapon. However the US has been working on BMD for a long time we have ships who shoot them down. With more powerful lasers and railguns we could see such weapons either lose their terror rapidly or go away.

Add to that the use of a nuke on a fleet IS going to get a nuclear response from the US which will means a nuclear war. The chinese missiles are more than likely equiped with penetrators. Which we have ships missiles to intercept.

Its evolution ya'll. For every advance in offensive weapons there is a advance in defensive systems or tactics, etc....

We tried that with the Nuke and carrier debate. So we had to scramble in Korea.

I really like Belesari's point about the evolution of systems. Battleships evolved bigger and bigger until super carriers evolved to counter that threat. Then laser weapons are going to begin to appear, but need a very large platform to be able to deliver multiple rapid shots, along with rail guns, so we now need a very large ship again, and add armor again to defend against other such platforms. Enter the age of the 1 million ton super battleship.

 

[Twain]

I'm shocked this thread is still open but it sucked me in too. Anyway, leaving aside the technical and engineering problems with this concept, do you realize what a million ton battle ship would cost? With the fantasy armor and weapons you want on this thing, it would cost more per ton than a modern aircraft carrier. The US could maybe afford one of these IF they sacrificed their entire fleet of aircraft carriers. That also means that if the entire rest of the world pooled their naval budgets they might build 1-2 more.

Now if for some bizarre reason it would get built, you have most of your naval strike capability tied up in one ship. (As has been pointed out, a single massive ship that could be disabled with a few torpedoes) This whole idea is technologically, financially, and scientifically unfeasible.

 

[Bonza]

Enter the age of the 1 million ton super battleship.

Alright, the thread is done. I made a request for some thoughtfulness and realism, if that's going to be ignored for the sake of fantasy then it isn't a topic for this forum. You might want to consider that in any future posts you care to make. If you want to talk about this stuff that's your choice - but it doesn't have a place on a forum concerned with realistic military topics.