Sun Tzu - The Art of War

Is "The Art of War" still a relevant text?


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corsair7772

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Sun Tzu only tells you what to do not how to do it. If warfare was judged according to this even a fool like me would make a great general. :)
 

zulqarnain

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well well, hi srirangan, i think your topic raises another issue if i carefully read between the lines you have written. i think i will not be wrong if i rephrase your statement by excluding Sun Tzu. Then the question emerges, are the old historians and sagas of military history still influential in shaping the domain of tactics and strategy in the present and rapidly changing dimension of warfare? What do you all think, the lessons of the primitive military history are still applicable in the present day environment?
In my opinion, the lessons applicable to principles of war are still applicable however the manifestation of these through the tools available may not be applicable now. Because now we are done away with old Phalanx formations and use of old Horse Cavalry etc.
 

gf0012-aust

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Please refrain from posting an entire response in red. Can you change it to something less dramatic and more traditional (eg blue or black)

Red is traditionally for emphasis, or for showing anger.

Thx
 

srirangan

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zulqarnain,

Warfare above all is human behavior. Human behavior will not change no matter how much technology advances. So old strategies which rely and decipher human behavior will be still valid in some form or other.
 

gf0012-aust

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The jewel that lies hidden in Sun Tzu is that the principles of war he espouses are still valid. The articles used "in" war are to some extent irrelevant. The articles "of" war are still relevant. There is a subtle difference.
 
chinese tends to study the Sun Zi Bing Fa(Art of War) as a stragtegic guide rather than a tactical one, because most of the contents and attack formation it talk about is about 2000 years out of date. But it does gives a few tips on how to wage wars and stragetigic decision making.

my personal favourite quote: 不战而屈人之兵,善之善者也!
means a person who can suppress his opponent without waging war is the wisest amoung the wise.
 

Deltared075

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The Art of War by Sun Tze only common sense to organize the country and army, Sun Tze famous just because he write it down and practice it and win some war. Most people know these common sense by it owns without reading the art of war.
 

Stanislaw

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The art of war is an interesting book, I would not to go as far as to say it is 'brilliant' but that it does hold some merit. It favours a non violent victory, and I think is more focused on espionage rather than outright conflict, as was very popular in Europe at the time. If you get the Samual B. Griffith translation, there is a case presented about the legitimicy of Sun Tzu. There is some belief that he was not infact a real person, but perhaps a name used for a collected series of articles.

I believe that the book still does have merit in todays society, as it is still required reading in China, and is even utilized by many savy buisness men. The only downside is that it is not a how to guide, but merely a text presenting snipits of strategy.
 

armage

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Hey guys I bought the book and is it suppose to be all quotes from Sun Tzu and other generals, plus a little extra chapters at the back? :help
 

gf0012-aust

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armage said:
Hey guys I bought the book and is it suppose to be all quotes from Sun Tzu and other generals, plus a little extra chapters at the back? :help
There are probably close to 20 publications of Sun Tzus Art of War that I've seen recently.

It pays to look at all of them before you buy one of them. The issue is interpretation etc... of the philosophies. Each author has a slightly different perspective.
 

Stanislaw

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Indeed, it all depends on the personal interpretation of the translator, and some chinese characters are not directly translatable, so it really depends on the translators skill and discretion. If you have ever read anything directly translated from chinese you will realise that it makes little gramatical sense.
 

redsoulja

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well one of my favorite Sun's quotes is soemthing like
"victory si guaranteed if you know yourself and the enemy"
this is still applicable in modern warfare
 

armage

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:D Ah, I don't even have time to go on this forum with all the homework and pratices at school; I might not even read it until our next break.
 
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