Snakecharmer
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Does anyone have any info on the Gotland? I heard they are very capable subs, shame they havent been exported, but thats Sweden for you.
Submarines
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The Collins Class subs we have were a Swedish design, the initial "physical" problems we had with them were due to poor swedish workmanship. The first vessel had its bow section fabricated in sweden. The welding was so poor we had to redo it ourselves. From our perspective, if we ordered any other vessels of any type from Sweden we would build everything in Australia,PAF GIRL said:
They do actually export quite a bit, the Gripen fighter has been sold to foreign customers, and they make some of the best anti tank and anti air MANPADs in the world.
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Aussie Digger
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Yep PAF Girl, they make the RBS 70 MANPADS system (used by Australia, Argentina, Bahrain, Brazil, United Arab Emirates, Indonesia, Iran, Ireland, Norway, Pakistan, Singapore and Tunisia) Bill 1 & 2 anti tank weapon, (Sweden, Austria and Brazil) AT-4 Anti tank weapon (used by the US Army and Marines), CV90 Infanrty fighting vehicles (Sweden, Switzerland, Norway and Finland), Gripen Air defence fighter (Sweden, South Africa and Hungary) the Visby Class Corvette (Sweden x 4) RBS -15 Anit ship missiles (Harpoon clone), Landsort Minhunters (Sweden and Singapore) and SSK Gotland Submarines (Sweden) so yeah they do export their technology a bit...
There's some interesting relationships between DCN and Karachi. :helpshamsi said:
There goes any chance of a having an interrupt free trip to Pakistan for me.
The Watcher
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Whats the use? They don't export them to countries with unresolved conflicts and countries that would need/use their weapons effectively! Whats a weapon when it can't be proven in a combat zone.shamsi said:
Snakecharmer
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most weapons are bought so that their capabilities ensure that they will never have to be used.
elkaboingo
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probably not. ive seen the agosta 90b subs operating from karachi, pakistans only port as of now. that is also where all of our frigates and things are based too.
So I take it that SSN and SSBNs do need a separate base to operate from.
Whilst on the issue of SSNs am I to understad that with the nuclear powered propulsion system they can remain submerged indefinately? i.e. travel across the globe submerged throughout the journey do factors such as air, food stocks or clean water place a limit on their range? If so whats the average range of a SSN (in kms pls.)?
In theory yes, The reality is that sub crews in a non war environment will be rotated off every 30 days. It's called a blue/gold team rotation. The USN ran psychology and behavioural tests starting from the late 1960's and worked out an optimum non war endurance and efficiency "slot". Unless they were on a war footing, the blue/gold rotation slot would not vary.joker said:
In a long range conventional sub like the Collins, Upholders, and the Oyashio class the declared maximum endurance run is 70 days. The ship is then rotated back. Depending on circumstances and operating conditions then they can obviously go beyond that, but you are now starting to get into classified capability specs.
New generation small subs like the AIP will also be creating new deployment procedures and tactical changes as they can stay out longer than predecessors.
Re sub basing, most navies I know of have the subs separate, they can obviously dock with everyone else, but tend to have a dedicated port. Its also the nature of their work.
Work on Malaysia's first submarine base delayed a year
One for Awang se.
01/02/2004 at 07:11:01
Date line: KUALA LUMPUR
Malaysia's 800-million-ringgit (211 million dollars) first submarine base in Sabah state on Borneo island will be completed by late 2007, a year behind schedule, deputy defence minister Mohamad Shafie Apdal said Sunday.
Shafie told AFP the delay was due to some problems in site preparations but this has been sorted out and construction has since proceeded smoothly, with work on phase two covering the technical aspects to begin soon.
The Sepanggar Bay naval base, located about 25 kilometres from Sabah's capital of Kota Kinabalu, will house Malaysia's first fleet of underwater warships from France when it is ready, he said.
Some 8,000 officers and men are expected to be stationed at the base to boost security along Malaysia's long and porous border.
"Malaysia has one of the longest coastlines in the region. The base will greatly improve our navy's control over the border line, protect marine resources and boost intelligence gathering," Shafie said.
The subs, equipped with sophisticated radar and new systems, will monitor movements in Malaysian waters in the South China Sea and the Sulu Sea, he added.
Malaysia will be the second Southeast Asian country to have submarines after Singapore, which has four subs designed and built in Sweden.
One for Awang se.
01/02/2004 at 07:11:01
Date line: KUALA LUMPUR
Malaysia's 800-million-ringgit (211 million dollars) first submarine base in Sabah state on Borneo island will be completed by late 2007, a year behind schedule, deputy defence minister Mohamad Shafie Apdal said Sunday.
Shafie told AFP the delay was due to some problems in site preparations but this has been sorted out and construction has since proceeded smoothly, with work on phase two covering the technical aspects to begin soon.
The Sepanggar Bay naval base, located about 25 kilometres from Sabah's capital of Kota Kinabalu, will house Malaysia's first fleet of underwater warships from France when it is ready, he said.
Some 8,000 officers and men are expected to be stationed at the base to boost security along Malaysia's long and porous border.
"Malaysia has one of the longest coastlines in the region. The base will greatly improve our navy's control over the border line, protect marine resources and boost intelligence gathering," Shafie said.
The subs, equipped with sophisticated radar and new systems, will monitor movements in Malaysian waters in the South China Sea and the Sulu Sea, he added.
Malaysia will be the second Southeast Asian country to have submarines after Singapore, which has four subs designed and built in Sweden.