Singapore's new Anti-Armour Weapon

[Aussie Digger]

It's a dual stage warhead. That rod hits the target and initiates a charge, this explodes and a second warhead then detonates. It's how anti-armour weapons designers try to defeat reactive and composite (chobham type) armour.

 

[lamdacore]

i think this new anti-armour rocket is excellent and those that oppose it because it is not reusable....well i don't agree with them!

You see disposable rockets are usually more cheap and lighter. So this means that it can be provided to many soldiers on the battlefield. now if an armoured vehicle approached then any one of these soldiers can take out immediately rather than relying on a heavy weapons specialist. I think it really does have a tactical advantage as pionted out in some replies.

 

[tatra]

The two approaches are complementary rather then substitutes. Lighter AT capability often involves throw away approach precisely because it has to be light and easy to use by many troops and UNGUIDED. For heavier AT, more sophisticated means are used (GUIDED WEAPON!) and guidance equipment is too expense to chuck.

 

[neel24neo]

So this means that it can be provided to many soldiers on the battlefield. now if an armoured vehicle approached then any one of these soldiers can take out immediately rather than relying on a heavy weapons specialist.

disposable rocket launchers are lighter,but i dont think that it means every soldier will carry one.in an infantry section,SRAAW will be handled by two soldiers in any case.

For heavier AT, more sophisticated means are used (GUIDED WEAPON!) and guidance equipment is too expense to chuck.

i guess you are confusing guided anti-armour missile systems like javelin,milan,kornet,etc with unguided short range rocket systems(of which there are disposable systems and others that are not).a carl gustav m2 or m3 is not a guided system but they are not use and throw...

 

[tatra]

i guess you are confusing guided anti-armour missile systems like javelin,milan,kornet,etc with unguided short range rocket systems(of which there are disposable systems and others that are not).a carl gustav m2 or m3 is not a guided system but they are not use and throw...

I'm not confusing anything, thank you. Just because there is something like the Carl Gustav doesn't mean I didn't have a valid point.

 

[neel24neo]

i guess you are confusing guided anti-armour missile systems like javelin,milan,kornet,etc with unguided short range rocket systems(of which there are disposable systems and others that are not).a carl gustav m2 or m3 is not a guided system but they are not use and throw...

I'm not confusing anything, thank you. Just because there is something like the Carl Gustav doesn't mean I didn't have a valid point.

you do have a valid point,i agree.but we were discussing short range unguided rockets...

 

[driftder]

sorry guys to be bringing this up but please refer to the links:
1. Panzerfaust 90 (Pzf 90)- http://www.armyrecognition.com/europe/Pologne/MSPO/MSPO_2005/pictures/Panzerfaust_90_Poland_MSPO_2005_01.jpg
2. MATADOR - http://www.mindef.gov.sg/weapons/matador/techspecs.asp

am I having eye-sight problems or are these two the same animal we are discussing here?

 

[Aussie Digger]

sorry guys to be bringing this up but please refer to the links:
1. Panzerfaust 90 (Pzf 90)- http://www.armyrecognition.com/europe/Pologne/MSPO/MSPO_2005/pictures/Panzerfaust_90_Poland_MSPO_2005_01.jpg
2. MATADOR - http://www.mindef.gov.sg/weapons/matador/techspecs.asp

am I having eye-sight problems or are these two the same animal we are discussing here?

Amazing close if you ask me... Why don't you check out pics of Singapore's new towed 155mm howitzer and the UK/US's new M-777 155mm towed howitzer, I believe you'll observe these 2 pieces to be extremely close as well...

 

[driftder]

Amazing close if you ask me... Why don't you check out pics of Singapore's new towed 155mm howitzer and the UK/US's new M-777 155mm towed howitzer, I believe you'll observe these 2 pieces to be extremely close as well...

phew - I thought I have to make appointments with my optometrist and psychiatrist again - glad that I don't have to . so that make it 90% confirmed - the MATADOR is a Singapore-rised version of the Panzerfaust 90. the other 10% will have to be from Dstar or Dynamit Nobel. Remember the arms sale pitch the Germans were making about the penetrative power it has against ERA and how it cuts through 500-650mm RHA? Guess it must be good enough for Dstar and Mindef then. geez - hope I don't get a invite to MI .

as for the Pegasus - ahh its sposed to have a APU for them to drive from one hide to another. will try to dig up some info on that - lets remember this is a MAPAT topic shall we?

 

[tL-]

I was just looking through these pictures of the matador and the Panzerfaust 90.. and I realised on the Panzerfaust 90 picture, on the right hand side of the weapon there is actually the words... MATADOR, DRILL... so... I am very confused... which is what? :unknown

 

[gf0012-aust]

Amazing close if you ask me... Why don't you check out pics of Singapore's new towed 155mm howitzer and the UK/US's new M-777 155mm towed howitzer, I believe you'll observe these 2 pieces to be extremely close as well...

BAE are apparently a little irritated at the new Sing Howitzer. They (the Sings) were given specs when they wanted to bid on some components for the XM-777 a few years back. There is a very strong sense coming from people I know in BAE that they've been plagiarised technologically.

The unofficial word is that there has been a flurry of "please explains" coming from BAE.

I did some work on another ballistics project approx 4 years ago and we used the Xm-777 for some of our findings - all I can say is that it looks pretty damn close to what we saw.

 

[driftder]

I was just looking through these pictures of the matador and the Panzerfaust 90.. and I realised on the Panzerfaust 90 picture, on the right hand side of the weapon there is actually the words... MATADOR, DRILL... so... I am very confused... which is what? :unknown

amazing...you notice it also eh? dimensions wise both are a close match, had the same type of dual purpose warhead ie pull out the penetrator and its in AT mode, leave it in and its in bunker busting mode or what they call it Anti-Door (wonder which egghead thought that up?).

the Pzf90 was designed by Dynamit Nobel. the MATADOR is class as a tripartite project with Dynamit as a partner. so who want to bet that the arms contract did not include technology transfer? BTW Dynamit also manufactured the Armsbrust if I not wrong.

I wonder if turin can dig up some info on Pzf90 performance against ERA and RHA. BTW, how good is the Pzf90 compared against the RPG-29? Why I ask is cos the RPG-29 is the smoking gun that fell a M1 in Iran.

 

[driftder]

BAE are apparently a little irritated at the new Sing Howitzer. They (the Sings) were given specs when they wanted to bid on some components for the XM-777 a few years back. There is a very strong sense coming from people I know in BAE that they've been plagiarised technologically.

The unofficial word is that there has been a flurry of "please explains" coming from BAE.

I did some work on another ballistics project approx 4 years ago and we used the Xm-777 for some of our findings - all I can say is that it looks pretty damn close to what we saw.

ahh do you have to bring that "please explains" up? even though I come from the same place as the Pegasus but I won't put it beyond Dstar to clone and improve a good thing when they see it.

btw which came first? XM-777 or the Pegasus?

 

[Lonewolf]

Matador I believe is a throw away weapon why, first, it is mainly made of plastics, which are not very durable for a reusable firing device as compared to the carl G all metal ( which by the way is heavy enough, personal experiance ). But the most important point is that in modern combat for Infantry vs tank ( unless u have the range advantage aka milan), u only got 1 shot then you have to get the hell out of dodge pronto because u have no time to reload before answering fire/arty will saturate ur area.

The Carl gustav was deemed too heavy for high mobility jungle warfare and asean phiysce ( i fully concur ) 1 man with weapon, 2 man with ammo with 1 disignated loader, take note that they all have to also carry their personal weapon and ammo , plus rations, water, signal set, webbing, bino's and that heat sink which other people call a helmet.

PS: I'm currently serving in a SAR reservist unit ( after serving 3 years as active). Matodor only given to those active ( fulltime ) units, we the cannon fodder are still using armbrusts.

 

[driftder]

..... that heat sink which other people call a helmet.

PS: I'm currently serving in a SAR reservist unit ( after serving 3 years as active). Matodor only given to those active ( fulltime ) units, we the cannon fodder are still using armbrusts.

hello fellow cannon folder. from the way you talk - heavy weapons huh?

 

[tonbo]

interesting that some of you guys should bring up the XM-777 , which CANNOT yet be slung under a Chinook and carried around , unlike the Pegasus that can ...
this being the whole point why the parties involved had to do it themselves , cuz none fit the bill .

'' the SAF's latest acquisition of the world's first self-propelled and heli-portable 155mm Light Weight Howitzer, the Singapore Light Weight Howitzer Pegasus. '' - quoting MINDEF website . see also - video feature

BAE can quib abt it all they want , but had theirs fit the bill , we'd have prolly gotten frm them instead of wasting prescious time that could well be devoted to developing something else . if there's plaigerism involved , then all car manufacturers are at it too , since most cars look the same ... just being matter-of-factly

the Matador was developed primarily as a dual-role shoulder-launched weapon suited to fighting in enclosed spaces in Urban areas . the fact that a soldier can fire it in confined spaces no larger than 15 cubic meters allows today's forces to better conduct their operations in urbanised areas and or confined spaces . see link for more

 

[Lonewolf]

hello fellow cannon folder. from the way you talk - heavy weapons huh?

Armour Infantry.

 

[driftder]

Armour Infantry.

eh no wonder lah - me SIR jack of all trades. ORD?

 

[Lonewolf]

1992, was in a invasion ABG camp. we had armour, arty, guards and a ammo base, can see J.B from camp.

 

[adyn]

It's a dual stage warhead. That rod hits the target and initiates a charge, this explodes and a second warhead then detonates. It's how anti-armour weapons designers try to defeat reactive and composite (chobham type) armour.

Let me add, the Matador is a 2 in 1 weapon. it can be used for anti-amour/bunker busting.It is a light weapon,produced minor back blast if fired in confine space.The weapon is made after some feedbacks from the infantry personnel regarding (carl gustav)