Logically 155 gun is more accurate cause of the riffle groove on the barrel whereas motar is smooth bore barrel and it depend on the tail fin on the round.hey guys,can some one tell which is the biggest caliber of self propelled mortars and what advantages or diadvantages it offers,also are there any mortar systems which offer rapid fire and terminal guidance abilities.
also which is more accurate a mortar or a 155mm sph.
Old day in SAF, Bde fire support come from motar arty bn and Div fire support from gun bn. Since SAF arty formation had phase out mortar bn, is that any Bde support from arty bn?LSVs are used by the ATGM platoon and the 120mm mortar platoon of the support company in infantry battalions. In armour units, their 120mm mortar platoon will be on Broncos. The idea is not to manpack the mortars any more, given the off-road capabilities of these vehicles. This arrangement gives the mortar platoon the ability to cover longer ranges (max range - standard ammo = 9 km, assisted ammo =13 km). One important limitation of manpacking is the limited ammo than can be carried in the Army 2000 support company force structure implemented after you RODed. If necessary, these platoons and their vehicles will be heli inserted (this includes the ammo support vehicles). This is why the low recoil SRAMs was invented - to enable the SAF to mount 120mm mortars on a small heli-portable platform like the LSV. The mortar platoon is not going to walk - this has got to do with other considerations that I suspect are not open source.
Even the concept of Direct Support (DS) for the line battalions at Bde and Div Artillery has changed, with the introduction of STORM teams and the Division Strike Centre. Your early '80s concept of how SAF works is a bit dated. BTW, conceptually, a line battalion can only call for immediate support if DS is allocated. Unplanned fires are taken care of by organic assets first before the request is kicked up the chain by the FSO/CO to higher command.
BTW, I'm not defending SAF's concept of ops - I'm just telling you what has changed.
No different fire in APC or open, if the fuse is diffective and cause the round explode in the barrel. By the way, only 2 or 3 soldiers will be inside the vechile during fire mission, others all outside vechile for all preparation work, it is very very clamp when the tube is in action even for asian.Has the AFP addressed problems with its Mortar ammunition that either does not fire or does not explode? I saw a live TV coverage of Philippine soldiers trying to fire a mortar and when they loaded it with mortar shells, the mortar did not fire. It happened twice and there was a probe made that discovered that many Philippine military mortar shells were defective.
Having a defective mortar shell fired from an APC can be more dangerous because the crew is contained in an armored carrier which makes it hard for them to escape immediately if the defective shell explodes before leaving the mortar cannon - an instant loss of life and material/equipment under one accident.
With the lightweight M777 155mm stepping up and replacing the venerable 105mm RO light gun in several armies I see the value of 120mm Self Propelled Mortar (SPM) in direct support of infantry supported by M777 equipped artillery batteries. 120mm would be an ideal tool based in Afghanistan at each FOB providing perimeter indirect fire and illumination replacing both 105mm & 81mm mortars.Old day in SAF, Bde fire support come from motar arty bn and Div fire support from gun bn. Since SAF arty formation had phase out mortar bn, is that any Bde support from arty bn?LSVs are used by the ATGM platoon and the 120mm mortar platoon of the support company in infantry battalions. In armour units, their 120mm mortar platoon will be on Broncos. The idea is not to manpack the mortars any more, given the off-road capabilities of these vehicles. This arrangement gives the mortar platoon the ability to cover longer ranges (max range - standard ammo = 9 km, assisted ammo =13 km). One important limitation of manpacking is the limited ammo than can be carried in the Army 2000 support company force structure implemented after you RODed. If necessary, these platoons and their vehicles will be heli inserted (this includes the ammo support vehicles). This is why the low recoil SRAMs was invented - to enable the SAF to mount 120mm mortars on a small heli-portable platform like the LSV. The mortar platoon is not going to walk - this has got to do with other considerations that I suspect are not open source.
Even the concept of Direct Support (DS) for the line battalions at Bde and Div Artillery has changed, with the introduction of STORM teams and the Division Strike Centre. Your early '80s concept of how SAF works is a bit dated. BTW, conceptually, a line battalion can only call for immediate support if DS is allocated. Unplanned fires are taken care of by organic assets first before the request is kicked up the chain by the FSO/CO to higher command.
BTW, I'm not defending SAF's concept of ops - I'm just telling you what has changed.
(120mm motar roung max is 6.4K in max charge, 10k in assisted charge in old day SAF.)
By the way, the newly form HIMAR bn is Div weapon or under special command?
There are rifled 120mm mortars. Standard in the French Army and the USMC, for example.whereas motar is smooth bore barrel and it depend on the tail fin on the round.