Russian Air Force News & Discussion
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Feanor, What is your aversion to podded solution? I think podded version can surely free up the internal volume for more fuel tanks for longer endurance for a more persistant EW presence on the battlefield, and more powerfull computers?
And for the range and size of the Su34, I'd prefer if Russia could develop a really powerfull EW variant that could exceed the Growler in its ability.
I'm not sure about how the previous Su24 EW version was. Care to give a brief?
Haavarla
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Well, i cant eighter.
The Intakes are only some 6% enlargen.
A vids from the high north. Some base outside Murmansk.
Looks to me like its those baseline Su-27S with the IRIST in center of cockpit.
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Unconfirmed reports that the Su-35S are doing taxi trials.
I think it's obvious that a dedicated EW variant will be more effective then a podded strike variant. I think dedicated EW capability is something that the VVS need to preserve.
I'm not sure if any of you noticed this, or maybe i missed it. I took these pics from Sukhoi website, and i noticed that the Bar splitter? on the cocppit glass which runs along the top of the Pilots head appears on some pictures and not on the others. Did the PAK FA 2nd flight prototype make away with this feature?
I hope the really introduce a single piece canopy and make it larger, to improve the pilots view behind his shoulders, and possible integrate the IRST inside the canopy. Theres plenty of space there in front of the HUD to integrate it. I really dont understand why they didnt.
I hope the really introduce a single piece canopy and make it larger, to improve the pilots view behind his shoulders, and possible integrate the IRST inside the canopy. Theres plenty of space there in front of the HUD to integrate it. I really dont understand why they didnt.
What benefit would be gained by putting the IRST inside?
Klaus
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The VVS expects the development of a successor to the Su 25 to be completed by 2020. At the moment a new shturmovik-type combat aircraft is being developed which will feature stealth technology, advanced sensors and state-of-the-art communication systems. The planned date for its service-entry is 2020. Until that the remaining Su 25 will form the backbone of Russia's CAS-units.
(http://www.structure.mil.ru/structure/forces/air/news/more.htm?id=10958639@egNews)
A new ground-attack aircraft at last...I already supposed the Su 25 would remain in service indefinitely. Unfortunately, the source doesn't mention which company carries out the work on this aircraft. I guess the article refers to the UCAV which is being developed by Sukhoi as Yakovlevs Yak 130-derivatives would probably not be stealth aircraft.
(http://www.structure.mil.ru/structure/forces/air/news/more.htm?id=10958639@egNews)
A new ground-attack aircraft at last...I already supposed the Su 25 would remain in service indefinitely. Unfortunately, the source doesn't mention which company carries out the work on this aircraft. I guess the article refers to the UCAV which is being developed by Sukhoi as Yakovlevs Yak 130-derivatives would probably not be stealth aircraft.
Twinblade
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The "bar" in the canopy is present in 50-1 and 50-3 but absent in 50-2.
Well a 2020 service entry would mean the Su-25 wouldn't be completely phased out until ~2030 if not later.
36 Su-25s have already been upgraded to the SM standard, with another ~80 planned by 2020. I don't know if they're going to start retiring the SMs after only ~12 years of service for the oldest ones. And Su-25UBM production isn't even planned until 2014, so we can expect major deliveries in the 2015-2020 timeframe (and that's optimistic). So honestly I have my doubts about this Su-25 replacement.
http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054048124050054056048052.html
Apparently they're planning to get the second Su-34 squadron re-armed fairly soon. We can expect them to also be at Voronezh airbase. 10 of them are supposed to be delivered this year, bringing our total to ~25, out of which a number are at 4th Flight Center (Lipetsk) and a number are at 925th Flight Center (GLITs). I wonder how many are actually at Voronezh right now.
http://lenta.ru/news/2012/02/21/su34/
Also we now have a delivery schedule for the Su-35S. 2 have already been handed over last year.
2012 - 8
2013 - 12
2014 - 12
2015 - 14
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=103920&cid=24
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Improving front RCS?
Havaarla you were wondering about Flankers in service. I addition to the squadron at Khotilovo, it appears there are two squadrons in Petrozavodsk. There are also at least two squadrons maybe three at airbase 6972. One of them is the SM3 unit. There may be a number of them in Center MD, but I'm not sure.
Over all this accounts for 5 regiments out of the 7 that existed pre-reform.
2 regiments of SMs, 1-1.5 regiments in South MD, and 1.5 regiments in West MD.
Over all this accounts for 5 regiments out of the 7 that existed pre-reform.
2 regiments of SMs, 1-1.5 regiments in South MD, and 1.5 regiments in West MD.
Klaus
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@Feanor: The successor to the Su 25 will most likely be the unmanned combat
aircraft Sukhoi is working on at the moment. The State Arms Programme calls for
initial deliveries by 2020, so the Su 25 will in any way remain in service until 2025 or
even later. Currently the UCAV-programme is classified, so there's not much information available right now. Reportedly Sukhoi has received all the results of MiGs and Yakovlevs UCAVs (Skat and Proryv) which seem to have been cancelled.
At the moment there are 10 Su 34 at Voronezh airbase. I thought 14 would be delivered this year to complete the first regiment. If they get only ten, the other ones from Akhtubinsk and Lipetsk would have to be redeployed to Voronezh.
Is there any news concerning the plans for the Su 35 after 2015? 48 units won't be
enough to have a significant impact on the capabilities of the VVS.
aircraft Sukhoi is working on at the moment. The State Arms Programme calls for
initial deliveries by 2020, so the Su 25 will in any way remain in service until 2025 or
even later. Currently the UCAV-programme is classified, so there's not much information available right now. Reportedly Sukhoi has received all the results of MiGs and Yakovlevs UCAVs (Skat and Proryv) which seem to have been cancelled.
At the moment there are 10 Su 34 at Voronezh airbase. I thought 14 would be delivered this year to complete the first regiment. If they get only ten, the other ones from Akhtubinsk and Lipetsk would have to be redeployed to Voronezh.
Is there any news concerning the plans for the Su 35 after 2015? 48 units won't be
enough to have a significant impact on the capabilities of the VVS.
It will have a significant impact where they are deployed. For example two squadrons at Krymsk would make air superiority over the North Caucus much easier to maintain.
Consider that a total of 7 regiments of 24 aircraft were in service with the VVS pre-reform. Out of them 2 have now been modernized to SM, one squadron replaced with SM3s. 2 more regiments worth of Su-35S, when combined with that, would mean a total of 9 squadrons out of the 14 being upgraded. I'm assuming a number of squadrons were cut during the reforms, so this would mean most of not all the Flankers will be upgraded ones. Now there are also 28 Su-30SM planned for purchase by the VVS. Add those and you have 11 upgraded Flanker squadrons.
Personally I hope that the this project is headed by MiG instead of Sukhoi.
Yakovlev : Trainer jet
Sukhoi : Su 35, Pak FA, Superjet, MC21.. and everything else..
Cmon, the gov should allocate some projects for MiG. Considering MiG already had some experience with the Skat prototype, I belive they should be given the ucav project. If shortage of talent is the problem, then move some of the Sukhoi researchers over to work in MiG on this project( since it looks like Sukhoi has many free researchers free to work on avery project), If they do not want to see a company with the legacy of MiG to die.
MiG is in crappy shape. They recently messed up a simple modernization contract with Peru.
Klaus
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It cold also be that Mig's employees, which worked on the Skat, will simply join the Sukhoi team. Reportedly the TsAGI center is also involved in the development of UCAVs.
The latest issue of Air Forces Monthly includes two articles concerning Russian helicopters:
In March the attack helicopter squadron based at Vyazma AB will start reequipping with the Mi 28N. It will receive 12 aircraft this year. Some more will be delivered to another unspecified unit.
The Progress plant has announced that it will produce 15 Ka 52 Alligator this year. Over the next years the annual output shall be increased to 24 units. The government has allocated fundings for a total of 140 Ka 52, of these 40 will be delivered to the VMF. Of the 16 Ka 52 delivered so far only 4 are equipped with radars, the others are planned to be upgraded. Currently a helmet-mounted cueing system and another ATGM with longer range are being developed in order to increase the helicopter's combat effectiveness.
The latest issue of Air Forces Monthly includes two articles concerning Russian helicopters:
In March the attack helicopter squadron based at Vyazma AB will start reequipping with the Mi 28N. It will receive 12 aircraft this year. Some more will be delivered to another unspecified unit.
The Progress plant has announced that it will produce 15 Ka 52 Alligator this year. Over the next years the annual output shall be increased to 24 units. The government has allocated fundings for a total of 140 Ka 52, of these 40 will be delivered to the VMF. Of the 16 Ka 52 delivered so far only 4 are equipped with radars, the others are planned to be upgraded. Currently a helmet-mounted cueing system and another ATGM with longer range are being developed in order to increase the helicopter's combat effectiveness.
Twinblade
Member
You can tell that a company is in a very bad state when despite selling almost as many warbirds as Dassault in the last decade, customers are vary of long term support. Present users of MiG-29 do no even want to evaluate MiG-35 (Malaysia) and are replacing 29's after just a decade and half of service, despite Mikoyan promising a load carrying capability of Rafale or SH, the speed and acceleration of Typhoon and a flyaway cost of Gripen.
I am afraid that I will be changing the subject a bit, but I am looking for reference information on An-26 variants. Mostly the LP (one of the firefighting versions). Any information you guys could give would be most appreciated.
Cheers,
Joe
Cheers,
Joe