Is there any imagery out there showing a landing craft of any kind (small or large, air cushion or conventional) actually entering/leaving the docking well?
Russia helps China build new aircraft carrier
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None in the public domain that I'm aware of. I'm guessing that they've done satellite based trig on the stern and come up with the well measurements.
but honestly, NFI
nothing, but we know that they have something like LCAC available.
I don't see why you need to turn this political.
interesting, I haven't seen any signs of such hulls.
blueindian
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http://i36.tinypic.com/343ktif.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/adi5ty.jpg
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nfloorl:need russia
China needs russian assistance that a fact with no experience in navy action on a global level and with no help from western navies it only hope is to make a agreement with russia on building a aircraft carrier
I take it that you haven't been anywhere near a Russian shipyard lately. The Chinese are much better shipbuilders than the Russians, besides all the Russian carriers were built in the Ukraine and that's where the experience lies, well it would if they were still capable of building ships in the Ukraine which at the moment they aren't, apart from one yard in Kherson, all the other yards are pretty much idle. I also don't think current Russian experience counts for much, they only have one carrier which is a dock queen most of the time, I think the Russians and Chinese are both starting from scratch.
the reason i said this it will take more time to make a carrier from no experience or knowledge of aircraft carrier back in early day of developing aircraft carrier there was the up and down in development it take lot into making aircraft carrier than you kind imagine that why there is not to many navies with aircraft carriers it will take alot resources and skill to do this in china its not a easy project to do on your own if china had alot assistance from a western country in the know how field it could be done .But it got a old russia aircraft carrier that its studying the chinese are good in copying from russia
So in other words it would take them more time. That's fine. But it's not impossible for them to do it alone.
In any event, Russia does have some things to offer in that area, but not very many. I don't know that Russia can produce an aircraft carrier right now.
In any event, Russia does have some things to offer in that area, but not very many. I don't know that Russia can produce an aircraft carrier right now.
They are going to start from scratch since they don't have shipyard in Urkaine. It's a different when you have a aircraft carrier in your navy than not having one. That why both need each other in some way . I forgot about the old carriers was built in Ukraine . The Chinese navy is building it own ship at rapid pace considering they are making over 20 ships right now.
They got a lot of help from the Ukrainians for the aircraft project, they've been studying Varyag for years. They are definitely not starting from scratch, but the first carrier they build is obviously going to have a lot of mistakes.
China has had many years of studying old aircraft carriers. It bought an old British-built carrier from Australia for scrapping - and kept it for years to study. It's now had its hands on how many ex-Soviet carriers?
China now has a great deal of knowledge of aircraft carriers. As well as physical ships, I have no doubt Chinese designers have been studying everything they can get their hands on from published sources, photographs, etc. China has no specific carrier-building experience yet, but a great deal of knowledge. They're not starting from scratch now: they've been busy doing the groundwork for years. China has a huge shipbuilding industry, & is well ahead of, for instance, India in that regard. Everything is in place to build carriers.
Yer first piccie is the Varyag. The others are the Gorshkov undergoing modification.http://i36.tinypic.com/343ktif.jpg
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It s not impossible but why waste others' experience when it can be put to good use in solving your problem?
exported_kiwi
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I recall seeing pictures of a mock up flight deck like this outside Beijing a few years ago. Can't recall where I saw the pic though but it was definitely a deck and was apparently used for practice, but, this is all from memory which is rather hazy these days. I can say for sure that it was in China, somewhere around Beijing though.
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If that experience is available.
I am not sure if this has been noted but the Indian version of kiev class(gorshkov) has had the front AA batteries removed as per specs of indian navy. The additional space is used to substantially(130-140% from pictures) lengthen the runway for the Migs to take off.
It should be noted that this fact combined with ski jump and arrestor wires would allow Indian ACs operating from this Aircraft carrier to take off with significantly heavier combat loads then that allowed in the default configuration of this carrier.
Just a lil FYI from my end.
PS: this is my first post here and I am already loving it . . .
It should be noted that this fact combined with ski jump and arrestor wires would allow Indian ACs operating from this Aircraft carrier to take off with significantly heavier combat loads then that allowed in the default configuration of this carrier.
Just a lil FYI from my end.
PS: this is my first post here and I am already loving it . . .
Thanks for the welcome feanor.
I read this topic since the beginning and I saw many people argue that varyag and the other kievs acquired in stripped down condition by china will help it get experience in operating an aircraft carrier. There was also talk of converitng varyag to a carrier with boilers et al.
My point here is that in it default configuration the kiev class is classified as a aviation cruiser and not even a proper aircraft carrier. Only aircraft capable operating from this class in its default configuration were the VTOL Yak-38 and the choppers(more commonly).There is no way su33 could operate from kiev even with zero weapons load. In fact the indian carrier length during mods has been increased to 283m from default 273m with runway length increase by ~140%.
All the equipment for launch and recovery of a/c were stripped from chinese hulks which can anyway not launch any big birds. Given these facts what help do you think these hulks will provide to chinese in their aircraft carrier program??
Somehow I doubt the recent news from chinese sources about converting varyag to a operational status. Given the time it would take to find and install the thousands of types of equipment back on it, extending the ramp etc sufficiently to allow decent carrier ops. I am not sure of the viability of the project. either as a refurbished carrier or as a trainer of any sort for future carrier operations if the chinese were hoping for it.
I read this topic since the beginning and I saw many people argue that varyag and the other kievs acquired in stripped down condition by china will help it get experience in operating an aircraft carrier. There was also talk of converitng varyag to a carrier with boilers et al.
My point here is that in it default configuration the kiev class is classified as a aviation cruiser and not even a proper aircraft carrier. Only aircraft capable operating from this class in its default configuration were the VTOL Yak-38 and the choppers(more commonly).There is no way su33 could operate from kiev even with zero weapons load. In fact the indian carrier length during mods has been increased to 283m from default 273m with runway length increase by ~140%.
All the equipment for launch and recovery of a/c were stripped from chinese hulks which can anyway not launch any big birds. Given these facts what help do you think these hulks will provide to chinese in their aircraft carrier program??
Somehow I doubt the recent news from chinese sources about converting varyag to a operational status. Given the time it would take to find and install the thousands of types of equipment back on it, extending the ramp etc sufficiently to allow decent carrier ops. I am not sure of the viability of the project. either as a refurbished carrier or as a trainer of any sort for future carrier operations if the chinese were hoping for it.