Russia - General Discussion.

Ananda

The Bunker Group
You seem to forget how it all started.
No, I'm very aware that Russia help organise and arm Donbas resistance. However does not hide the fact that big part of Russian ethnic in East Ukraine decide to rebel. People don't take arm just because everything ok. Russian ethnic do feel threaten by rising Bandera ethnic nationalism especialy in West Ukraine. They know what Bandera represent off, and they know they are the target.

Russia medling in this, off course not deniable. However Ukraine Elite in power getting hostile to Russian ethnics (thus basically big part of Eastern Ukraine) is also can not be deniable Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?. Especialy after Yanukovych being push away. Come on, do you still believe that Maydan is innocent Ukranian movement only ? Even many in West now increasingly see effidence Maydan is Western back take over. Yanukovych is legally elected President.

It's part of political game. West support Maydan (especialy from Western Ukranian), then Russia support uprising by the Eastren Ukranian Russian Etnics. No body are innocents in this conflict.
 
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Fredled

Active Member
Ananda said:
You are trying to choose fact but ignore other facts. Including Euroland parading Stepan Bandera's supporters in VE day.
Putin has killed 20x more Russians and Ukrainians than Bandera.

I told you that trying to talk about Bandera is not going to work. It's old Russian propaganda. All these stories about threatened "Ethnic Russian" is complete invention. No such a thing as "Ethnic Russian" in Ukraine. These people are not divided along ethnicities. It's like talking of "Ethnic Republican" and "Ethnic Democrat" in the US. Completely ridiculous.

Putin is responsible for the death of over 200 000 people, and you tell me about "Bandera" or "Maidan take over"... Come on please. It's not that type of topic any more.

Yes, they closed pro-Russian parties. Good riddance. These traitors have nothing to do in Ukraine. Russians should take the same step and get rid of pro-Putin parties. Also traitors to their nation and thieves.

Ananda said:
Euroland parading Stepan Bandera's supporters in VE day.
Fake.
 
No. The interest rates is not impacting the exchange rate directly. It's impacting indirectly because the markets react to it. More importantly, the interest rates are not changed with the purpose of altering the exchange rate, but to lower or rise the cost of borrowing, to either counter inflation or to boost the economy.
Tell me why is the cost of borrowing rising or falling when you adjust interest rates?
What do you mean by markets reacting?

Central banks can be selling or buying on the market to influence the exchange rate but that remains on the open market. The open market doesn't exclude central banks, but the central banks in western countries don't do that on a regular basis, but on an exceptional basis.
This is important because while they may do it, the market is still free. People and entities are still free to buy and sell as much as they want. This is the main difference with, say, the Rubble. But also with many other currencies for which the ability to sell them is tightly controlled by the state (you can always buy them thought).
What is a free market and who owns a central bank?

No. I wanted to say that an exchange rate at a counter for tourists is not a basis to convert the value of huge assets held by Russian entities. It's a completely different story. These state assets are off markets and the real value the day there is a public offering is completely unknown.
What does exchange rate have to do with determining the value of an asset any asset?

It depends how it's used. The way Russia uses it is in total loss for its economy. Russian defence exports are in free fall. Industries in Russia are suffering from the obligation to supply the military instead of producing for commercial and profitable purpose (the price is fixed by the government). Most of the high tech is provided by China with little to no technological transfer (Chinese are not stupid). And finally, the Russian economy is suffering from sanctions because of the very use of the products.
Apart from using the defense industry to produce defense products which is what Russia is doing (and everybody else) how would you use it?
Industries historically do fall apart when there is a great demand for their product.

Yes. Absolutely. The US is no exception to that rule.
However, for a debt to exist, there should be a claim. Did Iraq and Serbia filed such a claim?
Honestly, I didn't check. But if they did, then the claimed debt should indeed be added to the existing debt if it hasn't been added yet. If they didn't, it means that there was another arrangement and that they deemed that the US didn't owe them anything.

Ukraine has already made clear that they will seek compensation and they estimate the loss caused by the Russians at over one trillion dollars. Even if nobody expects Russia to pay them, this is likely to remain a solid debt toward Ukraine. This debt toward Ukraine may not be recognised by rating agencies. This would be a huge advantage for Russia. But for any deal with Ukraine, it will have consequences. Agencies could recognise the debt if a tribunal decides that the debt is valid. Then it will be quiet bad for Russia.
What rule, Whose rule, where is this rule written, where are clams made and who enforces them?

Yes: It's my opinion that a state which doesn't support Ukraine, in the sens that they don't consider Russia as an aggressor or don't want to act accordingly is a morally failed state.
Morally failed state are often also socially and economically failed state as well.
Which major country is not morally a failed state? Lets make it easier what permanent member of the UN security council is not a morally failed state?

I didn't say that. Please check my post.
You said and I quote:
The most idiot idea is to think that they had a minute of silence for those who fell fighting the Nazi. :D
 

seaspear

Well-Known Member
Yes, but WB still publish it. Means what ever data that are published, then it is already have enough degree of confidence by WB standard. They have difficulty to asses on their ussual standard. However what ever they are publishing and asses already in their acceptable level. For that some of aspects of Russian economy forecast not being asses by WB.

In short, Russia does not shown all their data, but some data still meet acceptability level of World Bank. That's huge different then Russia put false data as some Western think tank accuse.
The caveat on reporting Russian statistics should always include some acknowledgement about its accuracy due to Russian censorship treating this as a state secret .Why Russia thinks that and and does not want this released and what measures it may take to mask such information could mean such information developed from unreliable data could well be flawed
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
they closed pro-Russian parties. Good riddance. These traitors have nothing to do in Ukraine. Russians should take the same step and get rid of pro-Putin parties. Also traitors to their nation and thieves.
Seems you are clearly goes emotional ranting and showning yourself on your real despise to Ethnic Russian.

Parading Ukranian Army in which big part of them glorified Stepan Bandera is not a fake, and clearly shown delusional believe.

Russian ethnics has the right to exist in Eastern Ukraine, the rights for their political power as any citizen. Ukraine should give the rights for their own Russian citizen, and not calling them traitors. At beginning they were not say wanted to merge with Russia, as they are demanding their rights for autonomy as they are concern with what rising in western part. Rising Stepan Bandera glorification in western and central Ukraine are aiming to them. It is hypocrite believes that talk of Russian ethnics political rights as traitorus intention.

The fact that many Euro media and politician shown concern on the rising Bandera's ultranasionalist ideology before the invasion, and now white washing the situation. No one is innocence in this, as both parts of Ukraine have shares on the situation that lead to civil war then Russian invasion.

This is why much of the rest of Global South stay out and sit in fences. Accuse them as morally disgusting because they don't support Euroland position is clearly shown Western suppremacist believes on their own thinking. Much of Global South see this messed are cause by both sides in Ukraine and both West and Russia played Ukraine like chess board. For that we keep engaging both sides, and not fall in to hypocrite trap on saying this messed caused by one side only.
 
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Ananda

The Bunker Group
caveat on reporting Russian statistics should always include some acknowledgement about its accuracy due to Russian censorship treating this as a state secret.
IMF and WB acknowledge that Russia not publishing all data. However again, what the Russian statistics that they both are published means already checked and consider reliable enough. What they are saying is they can't give overall assessment on Russian economies as some data stay hidden during this war.

They never say the data that is publish is falsified and unreliable as some in Western Think Tank accuse. That's big difference.
 

seaspear

Well-Known Member
mixed review of Russian economic figures
This article goes into details of the I.M.F cancelled visit to Russia
 
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