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No Link to Source here, just herd the news so posting it.
The French President, in his recent visit to the Kingdom, offered "Rafale" and Coustomized advance versions of "Mirage2000-5/9" for Royal Saudi Airforce. But the Saudis rejected the offer.
"This leaves rival Americans and British smiling" --- BBC
Seems like EF-2000 all the way.
The French President, in his recent visit to the Kingdom, offered "Rafale" and Coustomized advance versions of "Mirage2000-5/9" for Royal Saudi Airforce. But the Saudis rejected the offer.
"This leaves rival Americans and British smiling" --- BBC
Seems like EF-2000 all the way.
Countries rarely breach MOUs - and I really doubt that the Saudis will breach with the UK - they've have a long historical relationship with the UK for over 90 years - far longer than the French, so there is a lot of water under the bridge.
Middle East News Link reports it as follows:
CHIRAC PROMOTES RAFALE JET IN SAUDI
ABU DHABI [MENL] -- President Jacques Chirac has sought to persuade Saudi Arabia to reexamine France's new fighter-jet and other major systems.
Chirac has been conducting a three-day visit to Saudi Arabia as part of an effort to promote advanced weapons platforms and systems. The president has been accompanied by the heads of major French defense contractors that have failed to win awards in Saudi Arabia.
"No signing of a [defense] accord is envisaged," Chirac spokesman Jerome Bonnafont said. "Cooperation is ongoing."
Officials said Chirac's priority was to persuade Saudi leaders to reexamine the Rafale fighter-jet. They acknowledged that Riyad's memorandum of understanding with Britain in December 2005 regarding the Eurofighter has harmed the Rafale's prospects.
Middle East News Link reports it as follows:
CHIRAC PROMOTES RAFALE JET IN SAUDI
ABU DHABI [MENL] -- President Jacques Chirac has sought to persuade Saudi Arabia to reexamine France's new fighter-jet and other major systems.
Chirac has been conducting a three-day visit to Saudi Arabia as part of an effort to promote advanced weapons platforms and systems. The president has been accompanied by the heads of major French defense contractors that have failed to win awards in Saudi Arabia.
"No signing of a [defense] accord is envisaged," Chirac spokesman Jerome Bonnafont said. "Cooperation is ongoing."
Officials said Chirac's priority was to persuade Saudi leaders to reexamine the Rafale fighter-jet. They acknowledged that Riyad's memorandum of understanding with Britain in December 2005 regarding the Eurofighter has harmed the Rafale's prospects.
So the lack of success exporting Rafales are getting Dassault and the French Government a little frustrated huh? Doesn't surpise me, it really isn't a Mirage, it's not that cheap, it's not that convinient, it's not proven and it hasn't fulfilled its expectations with the Armee del Air nor the Aeronavale. So it's obvious it won't become an export success as the Mirage family. Even later when all problems are sorted out it still faces a tough competition with the Typhoon and Grippen. And besides the commitment between the UK and Saudi government, it's undeniable than today Typhoon is more capable than Rafale, and RSAF can't go for less.
You could shoot down a Ballistic or a Cruise Missile with a good fighter, and if the missile isn't much faster than you or your weapons. RAF shot down a Scud in the first Gulf War with a Tornado F.3. F-15 should be more than capable. But Nukes are a completely different story, remember these things are built differently, they "fly" differently and have a number of really nasty effects whent they blow up! Besides an AA-Missile Warhead is most likely not enough.
A BM, with all of its systems is not something that can be taken out easily. It doesn't carry a Multimillion Price tag for no reason!Gaenth said:
A BM is not just bunch of Hardware strapped together that can fly and fall like a Rock from the sky. It involves years of development Meticulous amount of design and testing hours to construct. It's Flight control systems are complex. Its guidance systems allone contain algorithms that are beyond comprehension for most of us!! Infact i have tremendous respect for, anyone who can manage the math and Effort that goes into any missiles systems.
Besides in re-entry stage BMs velocity should make it near impossible to counter. It does follow a ballistic trajectory but more sophisticated BM do maneuver even after reentry. So smile guys this is one tough cooky that aint cracking anytime soon.
The Only way i think a BM can be taken out is by an Early warning system ( 24/7 Airborne Surveillance) and an Abundant amount of A2A, A2G SAM munitions in place. The idea would be to take the threat out as soon as launch is detected.
As far as Fighters AC's taking out a BM goes i think that would be highly unlikely, unless you eliminate such a threat during the Early stages of launch.
A cruise missile may be cheaper but it's use in the theater of war can wreak havoc. Since most radar sensors don't detect at certain angles a clever Cruise missile can evade enemy radar detection using these gaps and can even evade incoming missile. Somthing some people here would call Radar shadow. The CM would use the Zero signal as its primary strategy to penetrate a mountainous region. The Terrain Mapping system comes in handy here. So in short for the AC's shooting these down, You can't shoot what you can't see!!
However CMs and BM can be taken down if the the conditions are right!
Constructive Criticisms would be appreciated!
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Also, as we know, the BM have longer range and some of them have very high speed. Soviets had BM that could go to MACH-8 (Source: Discovery Channel). So with the very long range and very high speed, it would be very difficult task to shoot down a BM. Most of the advance BVRAAMs are in the range of abt 140+Km and no fighter jet can out run a BM which flies at higher speed than it does.
So shooting the BM with fighter jet would be a difficult job but I wont say its impossible though. As adsH says, it would need an Airborne (Early Waring)Surveilance which could point out the BM early and the fighters scramble to the point from where the BM is to pass through or where it is to make impact.
So shooting the BM with fighter jet would be a difficult job but I wont say its impossible though. As adsH says, it would need an Airborne (Early Waring)Surveilance which could point out the BM early and the fighters scramble to the point from where the BM is to pass through or where it is to make impact.
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euro fighter typhoon for saudi arabia.
Euro fighter typhoon for saudi arabia.
Defence co-operation tops Chirac’s agenda in Saudi
Published: Sunday, 5 March, 2006, 09:34 AM Doha Time
RIYADH: French President Jacques Chirac yesterday began a state visit to Saudi Arabia during which he hopes to talk the oil-rich kingdom into eventually buying French Rafale fighters and a border monitoring system.
Chirac, accompanied by his wife Bernadette, was greeted by King Abdullah when he landed at Riyadh airport at the head of a delegation comprising the foreign, defence, economy and external trade ministers, in addition to more than a dozen businessmen representing major French businesses.
“No signing of a (defence) accord is envisaged” during Chirac’s visit, his fourth to the Gulf country, presidential spokesman Jerome Bonnafont had said on Thursday.
But a diplomatic source in Paris said France hopes the trip will at least pull off a Saudi promise to open negotiations on the purchase of the Rafale and the Miksa border protection system.
“Co-operation is going on” on the issue, Bonnafont said.
French aerospace group Dassault Aviation confirmed last April that talks had taken place on the purchase of the Rafale.
The French daily Les Echos said at the time the discussions focused on the purchase of 48 fighters with an option for 48 more in a deal valued at 6bn euros ($7.2bn).
The fourth-generation Rafale, a multi-role combat jet that can carry out interception and reconnaissance missions as well as nuclear strikes, has yet to find an export market.
Singapore snubbed it in September and went for Boeing’s F-15, but Dassault is planning to offer the Rafale when it will bid for a contract to supply fighters to India.
Bonnafont said the subject of the Miksa electronic border monitoring system will be “raised” during Chirac’s visit.
Electronic defence manufacturer Thales would be looking to a 7bn euro ($8.4bn) deal to supply 225 radars to Saudi Arabia over a period of 12 years.
The radars would serve to detect any infiltration by land, sea or air along the 5,000km of Saudi borders, notably with violence-wracked Iraq and Yemen.
The sale of the Miksa - an acronym for Ministry of Interior Kingdom of Saudi Arabia - would also include a telecommunications network, reconnaissance aircraft and 20 helicopters.
Thales chairman Denis Ranque told reporters in Riyadh yesterday he expected talks on the proposed sale to “progress” during Chirac’s stay, but said he would be “surprised” if a deal were finalised.
France, number three arms exporter after the US and Britain, holds a 12% share of the global market and counts Saudi Arabia among its main clients.
French imports from Saudi Arabia amount to 3bn euros ($3.6bn) annually, compared to 1.3bn euros ($1.5bn) in exports.
Chirac, whose visit comes some two months after it was announced that the kingdom would buy Typhoon Eurofighter jets from Britain, “wishes to see French companies getting more active in Saudi Arabia,” according to Bonnafont.
Today, Chirac will visit Dir’iya, the birthplace of the Al-Saud ruling family, and go on to address the Shura (consultative) Council.
Chirac will take part in a French-Saudi economic gathering before inaugurating an Islamic arts exhibit jointly organised by the Louvre and Riyadh museums. – AFP
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=75398&version=1&template_id=37&parent_id=17
Euro fighter typhoon for saudi arabia.
Defence co-operation tops Chirac’s agenda in Saudi
Published: Sunday, 5 March, 2006, 09:34 AM Doha Time
RIYADH: French President Jacques Chirac yesterday began a state visit to Saudi Arabia during which he hopes to talk the oil-rich kingdom into eventually buying French Rafale fighters and a border monitoring system.
Chirac, accompanied by his wife Bernadette, was greeted by King Abdullah when he landed at Riyadh airport at the head of a delegation comprising the foreign, defence, economy and external trade ministers, in addition to more than a dozen businessmen representing major French businesses.
“No signing of a (defence) accord is envisaged” during Chirac’s visit, his fourth to the Gulf country, presidential spokesman Jerome Bonnafont had said on Thursday.
But a diplomatic source in Paris said France hopes the trip will at least pull off a Saudi promise to open negotiations on the purchase of the Rafale and the Miksa border protection system.
“Co-operation is going on” on the issue, Bonnafont said.
French aerospace group Dassault Aviation confirmed last April that talks had taken place on the purchase of the Rafale.
The French daily Les Echos said at the time the discussions focused on the purchase of 48 fighters with an option for 48 more in a deal valued at 6bn euros ($7.2bn).
The fourth-generation Rafale, a multi-role combat jet that can carry out interception and reconnaissance missions as well as nuclear strikes, has yet to find an export market.
Singapore snubbed it in September and went for Boeing’s F-15, but Dassault is planning to offer the Rafale when it will bid for a contract to supply fighters to India.
Bonnafont said the subject of the Miksa electronic border monitoring system will be “raised” during Chirac’s visit.
Electronic defence manufacturer Thales would be looking to a 7bn euro ($8.4bn) deal to supply 225 radars to Saudi Arabia over a period of 12 years.
The radars would serve to detect any infiltration by land, sea or air along the 5,000km of Saudi borders, notably with violence-wracked Iraq and Yemen.
The sale of the Miksa - an acronym for Ministry of Interior Kingdom of Saudi Arabia - would also include a telecommunications network, reconnaissance aircraft and 20 helicopters.
Thales chairman Denis Ranque told reporters in Riyadh yesterday he expected talks on the proposed sale to “progress” during Chirac’s stay, but said he would be “surprised” if a deal were finalised.
France, number three arms exporter after the US and Britain, holds a 12% share of the global market and counts Saudi Arabia among its main clients.
French imports from Saudi Arabia amount to 3bn euros ($3.6bn) annually, compared to 1.3bn euros ($1.5bn) in exports.
Chirac, whose visit comes some two months after it was announced that the kingdom would buy Typhoon Eurofighter jets from Britain, “wishes to see French companies getting more active in Saudi Arabia,” according to Bonnafont.
Today, Chirac will visit Dir’iya, the birthplace of the Al-Saud ruling family, and go on to address the Shura (consultative) Council.
Chirac will take part in a French-Saudi economic gathering before inaugurating an Islamic arts exhibit jointly organised by the Louvre and Riyadh museums. – AFP
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=75398&version=1&template_id=37&parent_id=17
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About Dir'iya, I bet the Saudi's spent extra time fixing the Mud Village, it was Rain season wasn't it, so Diriyah would of been washed out completely.
He better have couple of bottles of water to cool him self off in the heat.
Does anyone still think the Deal could go through since the Saudi's-have hinted that they may go for an extra fighter.haven't they?
Neh !!! I think the Saudis refused Chirac's offer of Rafale out right. Buying EF-2000 and Rafale togather would kinda seem ..... i dnt knw ... kinda foolish. Extra aircraft should fall in 3rd or 3.5th Generation fighter like F-16 or Mirage2000-5 or may be JAS-39 Gripen but not Rafale. Although they may have enough funds to buy both Rafale and EF-2000 togather, I dont think it would be the right idea.adsH said:
In all honesty there is a debate ongoing over here that Typhoon can not be procured in either the desired numbers or within the time scale to avert a potential capability gap within the RSAF (shades of Singapore again).
Tornado sustainment will start impacting the 4 IDS squardrons over the next several years, an imminently required F-15C/D update program will do similar. Thus all that would be left are the F-15S units.
I honestly don't know if Rafale is an option, I've lost count of the number of times it has been rumoured to be coming here. I also think Dassault and the French Government would have to offer some substantial extra-incentives.
It would seem that Typhoon in RSAF service is slated initially to be operating with Sidewinder and AMRAAM, I do think that if a second aircraft is chosen, it will probably be logical for a US-design to be selected to ease the armaments and logistics burden.
F-16s possibly, but I tempt the question of more Strike Eagles perhaps?
Tornado sustainment will start impacting the 4 IDS squardrons over the next several years, an imminently required F-15C/D update program will do similar. Thus all that would be left are the F-15S units.
I honestly don't know if Rafale is an option, I've lost count of the number of times it has been rumoured to be coming here. I also think Dassault and the French Government would have to offer some substantial extra-incentives.
It would seem that Typhoon in RSAF service is slated initially to be operating with Sidewinder and AMRAAM, I do think that if a second aircraft is chosen, it will probably be logical for a US-design to be selected to ease the armaments and logistics burden.
F-16s possibly, but I tempt the question of more Strike Eagles perhaps?
There were hints by Saudis of of upgrading navy and building it more strong but in terms of Naval Ships. I have never come across any news or even a roumer that Saudis are interested in forming Naval Military Aviation or even buy/produce an aircraft carrier. If this was the case, we certainly would have known and we would have seen Americans and Brits promoting their F-18 and Harriers in Saudi Arabia. But thats not happening is it? The extra platform might just fall in the hands of US and some thing like F-16 or more F-15s may be bought.adsH said: