kiwipatriot69
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What of the proposed cuts to defence labour made this year?will that affect current projects, or just push future ones like the frigate replacements or HMNZS Canturbury ones further down the line?
The Minister of Finance wants to push back about $4 billion of the $20 billion of the DCP 2019 out past 2030 as far as he can. So we could presume that such items would be pushed back further by some in the current government if they had there way. Others in the current government would get rid of the frigates completely. I think that we will have to wait and see what their next Defence Policy Statement looks like. They seem to be avoiding a White Paper for some reason.What of the proposed cuts to defence labour made this year?will that affect current projects, or just push future ones like the frigate replacements or HMNZS Canturbury ones further down the line?
Possibly because they dont have the amount of control over the outcome that they require .They seem to be avoiding a White Paper for some reason.
Wouldn't this be a complete diplomatic no go zone?Others in the current government would get rid of the frigates completely.
An interesting point, but there is no mistaking that the international situation has changed, and a document that purports anything like a 'benign strategic environment' in the name of cuts or delays will look foolish and out of touch internationally, even if it does marry up with local political wishes.The Minister of Finance wants to push back about $4 billion of the $20 billion of the DCP 2019 out past 2030 as far as he can. So we could presume that such items would be pushed back further by some in the current government if they had there way. Others in the current government would get rid of the frigates completely. I think that we will have to wait and see what their next Defence Policy Statement looks like. They seem to be avoiding a White Paper for some reason.
Absolutely, I think NM is referring to the Green Party side-of-things? If so they makes these noises all the time but even Labour wouldn't let that happen - there is no way they want to get into a fight with Australia and with the way the wider regional "Indo-Pacific" region is heading, Labour might have to be the first party to bite the bullet (as they are in power currently) and consider a future increase in NZ naval combat forces.Wouldn't this be a complete diplomatic no go zone?
Agreed - and for a available force of even two capable surface combatants, you’re looking at a fleet of six going by the rule of three.Absolutely, I think NM is referring to the Green Party side-of-things? If so they makes these noises all the time but even Labour wouldn't let that happen - there is no way they want to get into a fight with Australia and with the way the wider regional "Indo-Pacific" region is heading, Labour might have to be the first party to bite the bullet (as they are in power currently) and consider a future increase in NZ naval combat forces.
(For a bit of fun ... even moving back to 3 Frigate force would be a questionable increase - it would be the equivalent of the bare minimum the Frigate force should have been if Leander Frigate Canterbury was to have been replaced as originally planned, in order to maintain basic sustainable force. So that could leave a 4 Frigate force option, which is better sustainably (but that's basically the former ANZUS status quo), OTOH a 5-6 Frigate force would get back to the post WW2/early Cold War force structure (plus 1-2 other similar capabilities), which would be ideal to sustain a deployment into the Indo-Pacific but still leave the ability to patrol local and South Pacific/Southern Ocean areas ... maybe not all at once though)!
"la ultima fragata" - the last frigate, returned to the Chilean navy.They were handed back on in late maybe a week ago according to Lockheed Martin...
My liver still hasn't recovered from my time on the Wellington - never live in the gunners mess. Wellington was one of the best.Not in Queensland but Bacchante/Wellington was my old ship, I was Ops O under John Brigstocke, later to become Second Sea Lord, Admiral Sir John…..
It was a happy and hard working ship, we won the Londonderry Trophy, best performing ASW ship in the RN!
HMS Bacchante (F69) - Wikipedia
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Neither has my liver... them were the days... T.K.O with beer chaser anyone...My liver still hasn't recovered from my time on the Wellington - never live in the gunners mess. Wellington was one of the best.
Thanks for the clarification, didn't know that, can you name who those MP's are (or via PM etc)? Asking to work out whether to be "concerned" or not (i.e. depending on the "authority" (or as we say in NZ the "mana") of those individuals)!
It doesn't make any logical sense to me, even if I were to look at it from agreen party perspective. Increased climate change is the major issue being all over the news and islands shown literally drowning now. Throw in droughts dwindling resources and civil unrest resulting in wars in our backyard of the Pacific. were simply going to need more personell, ships , vehicles and planes to deal with it.A few million extra trees and a carbon tax isn't going to stop that.
Found a google english translation (very interesting to see what a modernised Type 23 can look like)!"la ultima fragata" - the last frigate, returned to the Chilean navy.
But if they are protesting for a just cause surely they will be let outRoll out the looney lefty protestors, to whit the Auckland Peace Action Group. Actually they won't be able to get out of Auckland if the visit is before 15th December. Won't that rip their undies Notice that they never jump up and down protesting when a PLAN warship has been in Auckland.
It's interesting to see that this government approved such a visit. Something that I thought that they may have avoided in order to pander to their further left factions and supporters within the Labour Party.
I would like to see them try. Maybe the Greens will take up their cause with the government.But if they are protesting for a just cause surely they will be let out