There'll be more on their Facebook page. Navy Today has had a lot about it in it. Quite a good complex from the look of it. Means that a lot of basic seamanship skills can be taught in a controlled safe environment and then refined at sea.
Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates
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Bluey 006
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That article states the upgrades were NZ$446 million (for two ships upgrade)
The Danish recently built the Iver Huitfeldt-class for $325 million -$332 million each (i am assuming this is USD)
I haven't done much research on the capabilities of the new systems fitted to the ANZAC but for under NZ$446 Million the Navy could of got brand new highly capable Iver Huitfeldt class or two for NZ$900 Million.
Considering the RNZN has been talking about replacing the ANZAC for a while and the ANZAC will undergo further upgrades to keep it until the end of its service life 2030 one begins wonder if it wouldn't be better to postpone the upgrades and move forward with new ships earlier than expect due to the bargain-basement price the Danes can build the Iver Huitfeldt-class ( if they were willing to offer it to NZ that is).
$325 million (is exclusive of weapons though) and i appreciate there would be additional costs for new training systems etc for the Iver Huitfeldt class but still...
Anyone with a little more knowledge on this subject have input?
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NZDF would need to convince Treasury about the value for money on getting rid of Frigates that are half way through their life compared to buying brand new Frigates to replace them, also that $400mil was not a one of payment as the ANZAC upgrade has been split in two parts Platform System Upgrade & Combat System Upgrade both combined equates to the $400mil figure you quote.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
As others have already commented, the 325m is for the ship only with no weapons kit. The last Iver Huitfeld was completed in Dec 2011 and since then both of Odense Marine Technologies shipyards have been closed (Lindo and the Lithuania yard) so it is doubtful they could be constructed today for that amount. OMT still exists as a design operation so this frigate is still very much an option for the future. Canada's CSC ship program to replace the Halifax class frigates has OMT and Irving working on the design.
Considering the age of your ANZAC frigates, the upgrade program makes sense. These ships have a lot of life in them yet. In fact, the Halifax frigates are a few years older and they are currently undergoing a major modernization program which is costing near 5 billion Cdn (~4 billion US). This amount is for 12 ships.
The casr.ca site has some interesting articles on the CSC program (Ivers mentioned) and there is also an article on the possible modification of a Absalon for a future Canadian destroyer.
DefenseMedia
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New Zealand Navy update in MONCH Naval Forces
Hello group, I had an article on the New Zealand Navy published in MONCH Naval Forces magazine. As this is my first post rules state no links just yet.
If you would like to access the PDF please search on "MONCH Royal New Zealand Navy update" in Yahoo, the results should be on top.
Nice to joint this group.
Josh C.
Managing Editor
Defense Media Review
Hello group, I had an article on the New Zealand Navy published in MONCH Naval Forces magazine. As this is my first post rules state no links just yet.
If you would like to access the PDF please search on "MONCH Royal New Zealand Navy update" in Yahoo, the results should be on top.
Nice to joint this group.
Josh C.
Managing Editor
Defense Media Review
Even at $325M baseline still a lot of ship plus we have 2 ships worth of weapons and equipment already. 2 Ivers and an absalon is my vote, a lot more coverage in terms of roles and tasks and actual multi-role vs straight frigate. I especially like the plug in play options to suit different threat level/scenarios.
At least a good option and direction for a future combat fleet.
At least a good option and direction for a future combat fleet.
40 deg south
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Anzac Ships Upgrade - Platform Systems Upgrade [Ministry of Defence NZ]
Looks like a minimum of $65 million has already been spent on Phase 1 and 2 of the Platform Systems Upgrade.
Not to mention the contracts signed and orders places for upgrading the sensors and combat systems. Like or not, the ANZACs are with us for another 15 years minimum.
40 deg south
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Boat caught with illegal 180 tonne toothfish haul | Stuff.co.nz
On a different note, this is a follow-on from RNZN's well-publicised detection of illegal fishing in the southern ocean. One of the boats in question has tried to land its dodgy catch in Thailand and run into some legal strife.
It isn't out of question that they will be able to weasel or bribe their way out of dock, but NZ is certainly making their life more difficult. And hopefully eating into their profit margins.
Well worth a read.
On a different note, this is a follow-on from RNZN's well-publicised detection of illegal fishing in the southern ocean. One of the boats in question has tried to land its dodgy catch in Thailand and run into some legal strife.
It isn't out of question that they will be able to weasel or bribe their way out of dock, but NZ is certainly making their life more difficult. And hopefully eating into their profit margins.
Well worth a read.
Agreed I find absalon better than our current ANZACs plus the added flex deck cannot be matched. The Ivers and their improved speed and systems pushed me towards a mixed acquisition depending on just how willing we are to step into the pure combat side but you're correct in that I would be just as happy with 3 Absalons at this stage (although I for some reason feel they will only go for 2 only with this option).
Welcome to the thread Josh C, if you are already writing in dedicated sites then hopefully should make some interesting, informed and welcome contributions.
We might be splitting tacs here, spending that amount of the Queens coin would be a lot cheaper ie upgrade than purchasing new frigates in treasury eyes, you can bet the end date will get pushed past 15 years. NZDF & MoD know how to push platforms way past there out of service date.
Zero Alpha
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The MSC tender document shave been released. Safe to say the minimum requirements are at the lower end of the spectrum:
-1,500 tonnes of F-44
-900 tonnes of AGO
-7,100 tonnes of F-76
-Not less than 12TEUs
-1 Hangar for one NH90/SH-2
-1,500 tonnes of F-44
-900 tonnes of AGO
-7,100 tonnes of F-76
-Not less than 12TEUs
-1 Hangar for one NH90/SH-2
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Still a reasonably large ship. By the time you add in the ship itself and that could be looking at 14,000 - 18,000 tonnes.
Zero Alpha
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Yeah. And it's a minimum spec, not a maximum.
The shortlisted respondents include Damen, Daewoo, Hyundai , Fincantieri, Navantia, Seaspan and Teekay.
Not a bad shortlist there now to go and have a look to see which ones are vapourware designs
Well Damien are Dutch, Daewoo and Hyundai are South Korean, Fincantieri are Italian, Seaspan Canadian and Teekay USA. Were BMT shortlisted? I would have thought their Aegir would have a chance especially as it the design may have had the bunkerage changed to meet the requirements. IMHO the Koreans have a good chance because the other companies will want the work to be done in their yards. However I am not sure where Teekay have their yards. Will be interesting to see the end result of the final design.
Zero Alpha
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BMT were pitching Korea build to Norway and Australia (for first 2 units?). Teekay will build anywhere, but I'd pick a partnership with a Korean yard too.
Damen have a yard in Vietnam as well as Europe.
Damens yard in Vietnam does very good work, they have done a lot of work for DMS including the submarine rescue vessel and aviation training ship.