Royal Canadian Navy Discussions and updates

[John Fedup]

@Calculus ....the video appears to be at least a year old. Do you know when it was made? Can we really infer the radar selection from this video assuming it was made well before the frigate selection date? The LM rep mentioned MDA as a partner in the video, any news from them regarding the radar?

 

[Calculus]

@Calculus ....the video appears to be at least a year old. Do you know when it was made? Can we really infer the radar selection from this video assuming it was made well before the frigate selection date? The LM rep mentioned MDA as a partner in the video, any news from them regarding the radar?

It was from early 2018. I included merely as it is a second source confirming the volume search radar submitted by LM as part of their CSC bid was indeed an LM radar.

With regards to MDA, my understanding is they will provide the "other" radars, such as navigation and surface search.

 

[Calculus]

Cool video of CCGS Sir John Franklin (OFSV1) during her sea trials: Sean Potter

 

[Calculus]

Picture of the bow mega block of the future HMCS Margaret Brook (AOPV 2) coming out of the Irving Halifax Ship Yard Assembly Hall. (Source: @IrvingShipbuild)



The bow (mega-block 3) will be joined (welded) to the other two mega blocks (already pier side) later this week. (Source: Irving)

The entirety of AOPV2 will need to be in the water early this Fall in order to make way for the stern (mega-block 1) and midships (mega-block 2) blocks of the future HMCS Max Bernays (AOPV 3). Also, steel cutting on AOPV 4 started on May 3. This program appears to have some momentum now.

Image below from:How We Build the Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ships

 

[J_Can]

Federal bureaucrats considering proposal to award Irving contracts for more Arctic coast guard ships

It will being very interesting to see if they follow through with this. Arguably the AOPS/ AOPV have always been been more of a coast guard vessel to begin with. This would also bring up the total class numbers to the orginal size. It should also likely be cheaper to without all the more encompassing RCN sensor and C&C suite.

 

[Black Jack Shellac]

Prosecutors to drop criminal case of breach of trust against Vice-Admiral Mark Norman

They best do the honourable thing and give him his job back.

 

[ASSAIL]

Prosecutors to drop criminal case of breach of trust against Vice-Admiral Mark Norman

They best do the honourable thing and give him his job back.

Unfortunately “honourable” is not a word that can be used in this whole sordid case.
The Admirals reputation and career of “honourable” service has been trashed by grubby politicians and he can never get that back however I hope he sues the backside off those who besmirched him.

 

[ngatimozart]

Unfortunately “honourable” is not a word that can be used in this whole sordid case.
The Admirals reputation and career of “honourable” service has been trashed by grubby politicians and he can never get that back however I hope he sues the backside off those who besmirched him.

I can think of some very suitable naval punishments from the days of sail for those grubby pollies. Been a whiles since I've done knots and splices.

 

[Novascotiaboy]

As a Canadian I am embarrassed by my governments actions. The unscrupulous actions of senior beaureacrats and elected officials is deserving of criminal charges and penalties. Brison, Trudeau, Vance and others all need to pay the price that they tried to push onto VA Mark Norman.

If civilian Mark Norman were to run for election in the fall as a Conservative he would be the perfect choice for Defence Minister.

 

[John Fedup]

A shame Norman won't get his day in court. The Liberals would be crawling under rocks as the October election nears. I wonder what General Leslie would testify about?

 

[Novascotiaboy]

The likes of Norman and Leslie and Hillier are missing from our officer elite today. These men are true leaders who cared about the military and the men and women serving for this country. Vance is a disgrace to the uniform and needs to go ASAP. Leslie recommended wholesale changes that would have gutted the upper echelon in order to properly fund the troops at the pointy end. His report was dismissed.

 

[John Fedup]

His dismissed report is probably why he is no longer willing to run as MP again. Then again, he maybe knows "Team junior" is in serious trouble and could very well be out the door in October.

 

[John Fedup]

I can think of some very suitable naval punishments from the days of sail for those grubby pollies. Been a whiles since I've done knots and splices.

I am pretty sure the RCN has some ships with minimal anti-fouling paint on their bottoms, perfect for keel hauling pollies.

 

[Novascotiaboy]

I live and work really close to the Dockyard in Halifax. I will supply the rope.

 

[John Fedup]

I guess Vance will be meeting with Admiral Norman to discuss his new duties. Taking Vance's job seems about right.

 

[Novascotiaboy]

Jon that cant come fast enough as far as I am concerned.

 

[Black Jack Shellac]

Statement from the Chief of Defence Staff

Looks like they may do the honourable thing (maybe not for honourable reasons).

They have agreed to pay Norman's defence fees. It looks like they will give Norman his pay and it looks like Norman will be getting his job back.

I think the next few weeks will be interesting.

 

[Systems Adict]

I have a generic Canadian Naval question.

WHAT regulations will be used for the construction of the CSC Frigates ?

I appreciate that SOLAS is a standard, along with Lloyds Rules, but what about STANAG's / MIL-Spec's / Naval Engineering Standards / Def-Stan's & the like ?

I'm curious, as European Navies generally use the STANAG's, the UK uses Def-Stan's & a whole pile of other legislation, while Australia have their own regulations that are quite specific & allegedly where based on the old NES's, but have been 'adapted' to suit their specific demands.

SA

 

[Calculus]

Latest model of the CSC, at 7:25 of the video:

Interesting to note the changes to the radar panels on the radar superstructure. Also interesting to note the SeaRAM launchers, which in previous models (see below) were beside the funnel, have disappeared. I believe this is an oversight, however, rather than a dropped requirement, as the infographic at the Ships for Canada website still shows the ship will have a CIADS capability (STRONG: the Right Ship Solution for the Navy | Canada's Home Team). Also interesting: There appear to be 6 launch cells immediately aft of the funnel.

 

[Black Jack Shellac]

Also interesting: There appear to be 6 launch cells immediately aft of the funnel.

Do you think those could be twin ExLS launchers?

Lockheed ExLS

Not saying it is CAMM but the cells look similar.

Looking further, maybe they are Single Cell Launchers