That makes sense, good to see.
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Nice article on the AOPV (AOPS), with pictures from HMCS HARRY DEWOLF: Tour of HMCS HARRY DEWOLF
Pretty exciting new capabilities. I also learned from the article that the Canadian-designed Beartrap helicopter hauldown system can be retrofitted, potentially allowing for helicopter operations in rough seas.
Pretty exciting new capabilities. I also learned from the article that the Canadian-designed Beartrap helicopter hauldown system can be retrofitted, potentially allowing for helicopter operations in rough seas.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Great article with the exception of Gleason’s comment about the ship’s gun. Constabulary role might be its primary mission and even if the gun has great tracking, a 6000 ton vessel costing around $500 million should have something a tad larger (35 mm Millennium or perhaps used 57 mm guns when the Halifax’s are retired.
Git_Kraken
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If you put a 57mm on that ship you'll need a proper tracking radar, fire control system, and CMS. Those are all external to the gun. So you'll have to find space for the cooling/HVAC/power/space to install all of that stuff. You'll have to add ~3 techs to maintain the gun/FCS/radar and you'll have to add more $$ to the project. Not to mention the 57mm was designed for AAW primarily. 3P ammunition also needs a proper CMS to interface the TTP's so the ammo setting is correct for the target/situation.
As for ammunition, normally a 57mm also has a feed from a magazine and has deck penetrations. I believe "bolt on" options exist, but that really limits your magazine to what the gun can carry (120 rounds in the mount). Do you modify the ship to have a magazine? Can it be modified for that as the gun currently sits above the enclosed foc'sle? Will that deck penetration for that gun work given the cable's for the anchor is right below it? Can you put the gun in a different place (instead of forward) and make it work?
Much of what I stated for the 57mm is applicable to a millennium gun as well.
At the end of the day, it's an OPV. In Canada. There is no threat. Any threat that could get to Canada and be dangerous in Canadian waters would be far too dangerous for even an up-gunned AOPS to handle. Call a warship, or use the airforce. Any foreign deployments are to a benign environment. It's been proven time and again MCDV's with only .50 cal's are capable of doing good work in the Carib and off of Africa.
That being said, if one were wanting to make these ships "dangerous" then it's not much work to bolt on an ASM like Harpoon/NSM. Those require deck space and essentially a fridge-sized area for the HMI/mission planning/control system. An even easier conversion would be to use a helicopter, maybe drop in a TRAPS to make the ship more useful in an ASW role.
Good points. It does have a CMS (CMS330), and it appears that the radar (Scanter 6002) has some tracking capability (Naval radar surveillance). And TRAPS with Helo is being validated right now, so the ASW role seems virtually certain.
FormerDirtDart
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HMCS Corner Book (SSK 878) returns to the water.
You'll remember she was severely damaged during a collision/grounding in 2011. Then suffered significant fire damage in 2017 while undergoing an extended maintenance drydock period (to repair collision damage). Then in 2020, following repairs, suffered a ballast tank rupture during a pressure test.
Lets all hope her fate improves a tad going forward. Even if she is only capable of limited service.
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You'll remember she was severely damaged during a collision/grounding in 2011. Then suffered significant fire damage in 2017 while undergoing an extended maintenance drydock period (to repair collision damage). Then in 2020, following repairs, suffered a ballast tank rupture during a pressure test.
Lets all hope her fate improves a tad going forward. Even if she is only capable of limited service.
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Interesting infographic (courtesy LM) showing the Victoria class combat system (scroll down to bottom of page at the link below).
www.lockheedmartin.com
Victoria Class Submarine Command and Control System
CCS 876 Victoria Class submarine is integrated, modular and open architecture COTS-based.
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DAVID DUNLOP
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Hi folks. Nice to be back!
Here is an update of weapons & systems the CSC Type 26 Frigate known so far. If any member wishes to dispute or add anything, please feel free to let me know and please substantiate your replies:
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... I don't see this anywhere; also, no open source info on this from what I can see. I know the RCN wants a hard kill anti torpedo option and the SeaSpider is perhaps a front-runner (due to it's Cdn connection) but I don't see anything about a contract being awarded.
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DAVID DUNLOP
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Hello Delta204. ask and you shall receive:
Her Majesty’s Canadian Ship Harry DeWolf becomes the First Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship Commissioned by the Royal Canadian Navy - Canada.ca
The Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) has officially welcomed into service the first Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship, Her Majesty’s Canadian Ship (HMCS) Harry DeWolf, with the time-honoured tradition of a Commissioning Ceremony.
The RCN commissioned its first new surface ship in more than 20 years with the ceremony today for the HMCS Harry DeWolf! It's been a long drought but things are going to move quickly in the next few years if things go as planned with 6 AOPS delivered by 2024 and the JSS delivered in 2023 and 2025. That's means compared to the start of the year, the RCN commissioned surface fleet will increase 33% from 24 ships to 32 ships in the next ~4 years. There aren't new major surface combatants yet, but it's still great to see the RCN fleet bulking up. HMCS Harry DeWolf's first mission will be an arctic patrol starting August 2021 including a transit of the Northwest Passage to the Pacific as part of a circumnavigation of North America to return to Halifax.
DAVID DUNLOP
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Hello Albedo! Yes, a great day for the Canadian Navy. A 36 RCN fleet by 2024 seems to be a good sized fleet indeed (don't forget the Victoria class submarine fleet)! Did not realize the Harry DeWolf has a circumnavigation of North America deployment scheduled this August. I think the last time that happened was when HMCS Labrador did it way back in 1956 I'm thinking? Could be wrong though.Her Majesty’s Canadian Ship Harry DeWolf becomes the First Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship Commissioned by the Royal Canadian Navy - Canada.ca
The Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) has officially welcomed into service the first Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship, Her Majesty’s Canadian Ship (HMCS) Harry DeWolf, with the time-honoured tradition of a Commissioning Ceremony.www.canada.ca
The RCN commissioned its first new surface ship in more than 20 years with the ceremony today for the HMCS Harry DeWolf! It's been a long drought but things are going to move quickly in the next few years if things go as planned with 6 AOPS delivered by 2024 and the JSS delivered in 2023 and 2025. That's means compared to the start of the year, the RCN commissioned surface fleet will increase 33% from 24 ships to 32 ships in the next ~4 years. There aren't new major surface combatants yet, but it's still great to see the RCN fleet bulking up. HMCS Harry DeWolf's first mission will be an arctic patrol starting August 2021 including a transit of the Northwest Passage to the Pacific as part of a circumnavigation of North America to return to Halifax.
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Git_Kraken
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I think you may be right. HDW will also be doing OP CARIBBE during that time (on the southern jaunt of that trip). Very busy trip for the crew. Hopefully its not all work and they get to relax a bit in Victoria in between the NWP and the OP.
DAVID DUNLOP
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Yes I'm sure there will be some "memorable" port visits along the way. Lots of hard work too though. Hopefully the crew will have lots of memories that will last them throughout their careers. I have been in the high north several times. A most beautiful part of Canada that you could ever see! If you have never seen the northern lights, you are truly missing out! 23 hrs of sunlight and 1 hour of darkness is really a weird experience. Seeing land that you think is only 10 miles away when it is really over 150 NM is awesome!
Git_Kraken
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That's currently a development program. When the tech becomes mature enough they will likely install it on multiple ships, including the frigates. I don't think its planned for CSC install yet as it's still too young on the development-mature scale.
DAVID DUNLOP
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The planned maturation and initial procurement start is expected by 2023 from Magellan which is plenty of time before the CSC Frigate build starts.
The latest issue of Canadian Defence Review Home page | Canadian Defence Review p. 37 the President and CEO of TKMS Canada Rick Gerbrecht
stated they recently successfully tested the rocket motor for the Seaspider and that development activity is expected to intensify.
Be interesting if Seaspider could be fitted to the Halifax Class if needed in the future, but not sure if there is sufficient deck space and available weight allowance for it?
DAVID DUNLOP
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Hello shadow99. Interesting question for the Halifax class fit for Sea Spider. It might be able to be fitted for trails purposes, and lots of time to do it, but this is an ATT System specifically for the CSC Frigate.