Interesting. Reason I asked is that the USN Burkes use a sea water compensation system to maintain stability, I figured it was a part of most modern warship designs.
If one looks at the Anzac class which uses a MEKO 200 design, when they were originally launched there were a number of things that "space & weight" were reserved for. Indeed, the original Anzacs were rather light (in terms of capability) warships. They possessed limited self-defence vs. missile or air attack, limited anti-ship capability and limited ASW. Through some upgrades, as well as developments with the ESSM program the Anzac has become more formidable. I personally look forward to the RAN Anzacs being kitted with CEA-FAR and associated systems since I think that will make them even more formidable in air defence engagements. I do think, one 8-cell VLS carrying quadpack ESSM is better than a 16-cell VLS each with one ESSM. What would IMV be even better would be an Anzac armed with a total of 64 quadpacked ESSM in two 8-cell VLS, or perhaps 8 ASROC (or similar) in one VLS and the 32 quadpacked ESSM in the other VLS.Hey there Mr Popeye!! The ANZACs have no capability ha? Hmmmm. I wonder where you got that from. It seems from what you are saying they do have a capability with the upgrades they do get right? I hope so.
It is extremely unlikely that another 8 cell launcher would be fitted to add to the ships capability. The ANZAC was built from the Meko 200 prototype which has the 2 x 4 cell launcher. From what i do know another development under the Evolved Seasparrow Missile Project is a ``Quadpack'' capability which will allow each cell of the eight cell Vertical Launching System to be capable of storing and firing four missiles, rather than the current single missile capability. This is a far better idea than deciding to drill holes into the superstructure to add more capability. But of course i know you enjoy drilling holes into anything that doesnt need fixing Mr Popeye.
Where did I say they had no capability?
Every ANZAC frigate has a single 8x cell Mk 41 VLS system at present, Mr "Specialist". This is located on the starboard side of the ship at the rear.It is extremely unlikely that another 8 cell launcher would be fitted to add to the ships capability. The ANZAC was built from the Meko 200 prototype which has the 2 x 4 cell launcher. From what i do know another development under the Evolved Seasparrow Missile Project is a ``Quadpack'' capability which will allow each cell of the eight cell Vertical Launching System to be capable of storing and firing four missiles, rather than the current single missile capability. This is a far better idea than deciding to drill holes into the superstructure to add more capability. But of course i know you enjoy drilling holes into anything that doesnt need fixing Mr Popeye.
Whatever. Keep it up however and you'll go the way of Cherry.Popeye, you are in serious trouble. Youre depressed i know.
AFor NZ that'd be a great idea. However you guys weren't willing to buy the 3rd frigate you had on order. Why would you think your Government would be any diferent now? Should Australia perhaps GIVE you a free frigate? That'd be a sensible thing to do.
Good point Tod. By the time the weight of 24 additional missiles, 4 loaded quad Nulka launchers, 2 Mini Typhoon mounts, additional fuel and additional 5" ammo stowage is added to the baseline Anzac it is easy to see where the weight reserved for the second Mk 41 VLS and the Phalanx CIWS has gone. And that doesn't take into account changes in radar and additional internal items such as control modules for the Mini Typhoon. It will be interesting to see if there is still sufficient margin of stability for the RAN to be able to give further consideration to adding a VSRADS for close in air defence as part of the anti missile defence upgrade that is currently underway. If so I expect there will be commonality with any close range system fitted in the Hobart class destroyers and the Canberra class LHDs.
Annother 8x VLS would be very usefull, however 64 ESSM's seems to be overkill, too many eggs in the low range basket. ASROC is a good idea, would give the ANZAC more teeth as far os ASW is concerned. CEA-FAR is a great idea and will be very handy when its in service, perhaps in conjuction with 8 SM2's in the 2nd VLS. For high air threat environments a mix of 34 ESSM and 8 SM2's would give the ANZAC a very capable, multi layered air defence, that could be datalinked to AEGIS when the AWD's come online. Also a point defence system should be installed if possible such as SEA RAM or Phalanx. That would give the ANZACS a 3 layered air defence system that is capable of hitting targets at 70km+ down to meters.
The VLS would have to have been intended to carry more than ESSM, ithough standard missile was in the design??? The quad packed sea sparrow Mk 41 would way in the ball park of 10 tonne. 8 SM 2's would weigh 6 tonne. I have a hard time believing that 8 tonne is constrictive in a design built with this system in mind. The space is there, & 7 to 8 tonnes is not massive on a frigate. If it is then the 1 VLS, and the 1 that was intended to be installed, were only ever designed to carry sea sparrow????? Anything else would be to heavy??? If this is the case i have to question the wisdom of the designers of our dear ANZACS.
then they most like will be used on LHDs more then Surface Comabtants. And i don't think there is anything other then a pipe dream of Fire Scouts, if the USN feels they need them. )As for Crew issues, i want the guy(or Girl) who did the Army Recruiting to move over to Navy, they've got Recruits coming out their rears to cover the current Rifleman leaving, and the 2 new Battalions. wheres our kick arse Commercials with Helos buzzing and people diving head first into the mud? I could see a rock and roll band playing on the Collins during Silent Ops and Lord Nelson Launching the Tobruk in time for war with Spain...
O if only i could put you two in a room with a single Knife and one man allowed out, but mortal Kombat is no longer allowed and we shall miss out
O if only i could put you two in a room with a single Knife and one man allowed out, but mortal Kombat is no longer allowed and we shall miss out
anywho, i think there is also a concern over several elements that would need upgrading(and downgrading) to work for the RNZN. As has been pointed before they are paying bit by bit for...some...upgrades but not a deluxe package as many in Kiwi Navy would like(don't we all)
Plus it keeps coming down to manning of the ships, when theres a surplus of Sailors and officers for your current Expansion, then look for another ship, till then All Hands On Deck!
The ANZAC, like the Greek MEKO was designed for 2 MK41 8 cell packs giving a total of 16 cells. Australia only fitted on pack hence the 8 cells.The ANZAC was built from the Meko 200 prototype which has the 2 x 4 cell launcher. From what i do know another development under the Evolved Seasparrow Missile Project is a ``Quadpack'' capability which will allow each cell of the eight cell Vertical Launching System to be capable of storing and firing four missiles, rather than the current single missile capability. This is a far better idea than deciding to drill holes into the superstructure to add more capability. But of course i know you enjoy drilling holes into anything that doesnt need fixing Mr Popeye.
