Redlands18
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http://www.navy.com.au/arafura-class-opv
If you go to the bottom of the page there is a picture of what the Arafura will look like.
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If you go to the bottom of the page there is a picture of what the Arafura will look like.
John Newman
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The photo on the ADM site is wrong.
They are showing a graphic of the larger Lurssen OPV 85 design, not the Lurssen OPV 80 design which is the basis for the Arafura class.
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John Newman
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Firstly, the OPVs are not going to operate with an embarked helicopter, either a LUH or MUH, not going to happen.
They will operate with a UAV (or two) such as the Schiebel Camcopter S-100 (or similar), that will be housed in containers which are stored in the mission deck below the flight deck (there are two lifts to move the containers from below to above and visa versa). Certainly they can act as an 'lily pad' for an LUH or MUH from time to time, but based permanently or extended periods, just isn't going to happen.
Secondly, on the question if the RAN could do with more LUH and MUH assets, yes agree, but what and how?
The RAN is currently operating the EC-135 T2+ for HATS, if it was desired or required for the RAN (or ADF as a whole) to have a greater number of LUH, then the obvious solution would be to increase the number of EC-135 T2+, infrastructure is already in place and you are not introducing another airframe type to manage.
For additional MUH, the obviously solution is more MRH-90s (love them or hate them, the MRH-90 is here to stay for a long time in ADF service), again the infrastructure is in place and another airframe type is not being introduced.
Lastly, as for a 3rd LHD, yes great idea, but realistically that is off in la la land, not holding my breath on that one happening.
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Takao
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Bingo. Note that the Army are already introducing a new fleet; adding yet another complicates matters.
Of course, there could be strong linkage between RAN LUH needs + Army LUH needs + SO + training - enough to buy one frame. Hmm.........
And not a sausage from Navy or Defence media. Seriously this is a big issue and it just does not get the coverage it deserves. I know some think the media black hole stems from concern over the vessel being built overseas but the media around the DDG was horrible
Agree media is generally defence shy.
But there are exceptions like today's coverage on a couple of channels regarding the F35 arrival.
That coverage aside, I try to view the lack of coverage and interest as a healthy aspect of our society.
Take it to the other extreme would we want chest thumping and patriotic rhetoric of look what we have........... certainly not for me.
Where the balance lies is hard to say, but Defence Talk exists because there are may out there who do take an interest and want to have a healthy discussion about defence matters. Plus there are also many other defence sites and publications in hard and soft copy.
Should the public know more about defence and security I.d say yes.
Who will drive that I cannot say.......Politically it's low on the horizon.
Anyway this a good forum to be apart of and one that has goods standards which I trust furthers it's appeal for others to engage and join.
Maybe this dialogue is a small way of spreading the word and just as importantly fostering healthy debate.
Look forward to your posts
Regards S
Yet hardly a word abut their actual arrival in Australia last Thursday. And the ABC at least couldn't find enough space for the number of times they wanted to say "troubled", "controversial", "deemed inferior by experts", "late", "over budget" to allow more than 20 seconds of positive reporting
oldsig, who no longer trusts our ABC the way I once did
t68
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The Sydney Daily Telegraph had quite a good write up with a feel good story about an A380 pilot see the first Hornets arrive and now making the pilgrimage to see the first F35’s. Nearly covered a whole page
The RAN news sight has a nice piece about the cooperation between the RAN, RNZN, USCG and the PNG Police during the last APEC meeting in Port Moresby.
The are also some fine pics in the gallery attached to the article.
HMA Ships Adelaide, Larrakia, Glenelg and HMNZS Otago were all involved plus a mobile force of Port Security Boats from the USCG.
Maritime bonds built during APEC 2018
The are also some fine pics in the gallery attached to the article.
HMA Ships Adelaide, Larrakia, Glenelg and HMNZS Otago were all involved plus a mobile force of Port Security Boats from the USCG.
Maritime bonds built during APEC 2018
It looks like the Strategic Partnership Agreement issues between Australia and the French company Naval Group have been sorted out with a contract to be signed next year.
$50 billion Future Submarine program clinched as retired admirals claim 'excessive' spending
$50 billion Future Submarine program clinched as retired admirals claim 'excessive' spending
Good to see the RAN has announced the name of the new SEA1000 submarines, they will be known as the Attack Class.
No doubt that in the not to distant future the will be HMAS ASSAIL
There were 9 ‘A’ class PB names, 10 if you include the PNG boat Aitape.
They were Attack, Adroit, Advance, Archer, Ardent, Arrow, Assail, Acute and Aware. Most have RN Battle Honours.
Navy’s future submarine class named
No doubt that in the not to distant future the will be HMAS ASSAIL
There were 9 ‘A’ class PB names, 10 if you include the PNG boat Aitape.
They were Attack, Adroit, Advance, Archer, Ardent, Arrow, Assail, Acute and Aware. Most have RN Battle Honours.
Navy’s future submarine class named
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Interesting and a good choice. Are the individual boats names yet known?Good to see the RAN has announced the name of the new SEA1000 submarines, they will be known as the Attack Class.
No doubt that in the not to distant future the will be HMAS ASSAIL
There were 9 ‘A’ class PB names, 10 if you include the PNG boat Aitape.
They were Attack, Adroit, Advance, Archer, Ardent, Arrow, Assail, Acute and Aware. Most has RN Battle Honours.
Navy’s future submarine class named
Also has the Hunter Class series of names been made public?
MB
the series of names has not yet been released.
My post was simply wishful thinking.
The first three names have been released, Flinders, Hunter and Tasman.
Redlands18
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Oxley would have to be a strong contender John Oxley was a former RN Lieutenant and early Exploerer and of course a O Class Sub was named Oxley
Takao
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There is some nice linkages between an Attack Class SS and historical Attack Classes. And I like most of your names @ASSAIL
I still disagree strongly with the Future Frigate names though. There are more appropriate Destroyer names in RAN history that deserve to sail again (looking at you V-, W- and N-Classes especially)...
I still disagree strongly with the Future Frigate names though. There are more appropriate Destroyer names in RAN history that deserve to sail again (looking at you V-, W- and N-Classes especially)...
Well this addresses the issue that some people thought the RAN didn't have aggressive names. HMAS Attack is a fairly unsubtle name. on the patrol boats it was a bit ironic, on a 5000+t sub it is more openly menacing. But the A class names is IMO worthy of application to subs has connection and resonance, and with 9 of them a good bank of names, there is history and submarines have used the alliteration before with the muched loved O-boats for example.Good to see the RAN has announced the name of the new SEA1000 submarines, they will be known as the Attack Class.
No doubt that in the not to distant future the will be HMAS ASSAIL
There were 9 ‘A’ class PB names, 10 if you include the PNG boat Aitape.
They were Attack, Adroit, Advance, Archer, Ardent, Arrow, Assail, Acute and Aware. Most have RN Battle Honours.
Navy’s future submarine class named
The may choose the use later names for late batches to signify differences. The latter attacks started with a B..
So for a first batch, Attack, Advance, Archer, Arrow, Assail, Aware (not sure about Acute or Adriot doable, but less resonance, how often have you used the term adriot in conversation) maybe go with Ardent as a more modern term, but also Barricade, Bayonet, Buccaneer, all great swashbuckling names. There are also some great RN/RAN A and B named ships you could throw in their as well (like Ardent).
Alert (captured by the French 1777, became Alerte, later another ship Alerte was captured by the British and renamed Alert, then recaptured by the french. fantastic history. Very fitting for this new submarine, a merger of French and British and Australian build/technologies etc).
Ambush (I particularly like this name for a submarine)
Aggressor
Alligator
Awake (RN submarine)
Artful (RN submarine)
Agile
Or maybe just add a bit of flavour an call one HMAS Apocalypse. That would be the one with the ambiguous 533mm vertical launch tubes..
Naming the class and the actual boats I think it important at this stage, makes it seem like things are moving and people don't have to be vague about project sea1000 or collins replacement etc.
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AndyinOz
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I would imagine that given the timeframe for the class to be built, and the numbers of boats to be operational at any one time that the RAN will not necessarily need to resort to names such as Bayonet, Barricade, or Buccaneer. I would assume that would not gel with the 'A boat' vibe either. Possibly a little bit of a shame though HMAS Bombard could possibly get regional neighbours a little antsy. Some might also argue that an HMAS Ambush might be giving the ABC a little undue credit though one never knows.
@ASSAIL Hopefully you'll be around to sponsor it.Good to see the RAN has announced the name of the new SEA1000 submarines, they will be known as the Attack Class.
No doubt that in the not to distant future the will be HMAS ASSAIL
In addition to the above 9x A names it might be nice to recognise the 3 x RN A class boats which served on the Australia Station based at HMAS Penguin from May 1957 to July 1961 in the 4th Sub Flotilla, Aurochs (although some smart arse will call her “Bollocks”), Andrew and Anchorite. It would fit well with the other A names to make up 12Good to see the RAN has announced the name of the new SEA1000 submarines, they will be known as the Attack Class.
No doubt that in the not to distant future the will be HMAS ASSAIL
There were 9 ‘A’ class PB names, 10 if you include the PNG boat Aitape.
They were Attack, Adroit, Advance, Archer, Ardent, Arrow, Assail, Acute and Aware. Most have RN Battle Honours.
Navy’s future submarine class named
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