Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates 2.0

[Musashi_kenshin]

With the Chinese continually poking away at Australia and Trumpian America being a bit less of a reliable ally (even if it's not going to pull the plug on the relationship), it goes to show why the political benefits of choosing the evolved Mogami frigate should not be ignored. Japan is far more predictable, and if Australia forges a military friendship with it, it will be a relationship that will likely last for decades.

 

[Volkodav]

With the Chinese continually poking away at Australia and Trumpian America being a bit less of a reliable ally (even if it's not going to pull the plug on the relationship), it goes to show why the political benefits of choosing the evolved Mogami frigate should not be ignored. Japan is far more predictable, and if Australia forges a military friendship with it, it will be a relationship that will likely last for decades.

It's becoming apparent that there is no longer a place for patrol boats and OPVs. Minor combatants will actually need to be combatants.

I am not talking about blinged up Cape class with Trident D5 Gaffa taped on the stern, but actual platforms designed with a level of survivability.

Things like subdivision, shock clearances and durability designed in. Active damage control systems, greater redundancy. Things that literally double or triple the cost of the platform before you add the combat systems.

 

[Bob53]

The way Trump has gone with Afghanistan and and Ukraine…..running and blaming failures on everyone else when things get tough. Australia should just declare we are joining the nuclear club and develop nuclear weapons.

 

[John Fedup]

The way Trump has gone with Afghanistan and and Ukraine…..running and blaming failures on everyone else when things get tough. Australia should just declare we are joining the nuclear club and develop nuclear weapons.

Canada should be doing the same, faster.

 

[GregorZ]

Lots of TDS I see here

 

[hauritz]

The way Trump has gone with Afghanistan and and Ukraine…..running and blaming failures on everyone else when things get tough. Australia should just declare we are joining the nuclear club and develop nuclear weapons.

Australia needs to start thinking about a future without US support. The US are clearly trying to disengage from Europe. Next step could be to move away from Asia and by extension Australia. Without the US this region become a whole lot less stable which is a nightmare stituation for our defence planners.

Canada should be doing the same, faster.

Have to wonder if Trump might not be eyeing off Australia after he has finished with Panama, Greenland, Canada and the Gaza Strip and I am only half kidding when I say this.

 

[Meriv90]

Considering how we (Europe) lost Niger and how Canada and Australia are Top Uranium producers, and we are on the same boat of "what we do now with an isolationist USA" , we could co-develop a solution from French/Uk know how.

And it is sad, because a world with nuclear proliferation its a sad/fearful and dangerous world.

To think we gave back to Obama the uranium given to us as a deal to not develop our own weaponry

 

[Armchair]

Chinese Task force letting Australia know they can operate in Australia's backyard just like Australia operates in the South Chine Sea.

Chinese warships spotted 150 nautical miles from Sydney

Three Chinese military ships which have been spotted just 150 nautical miles from Sydney after moving steadily down the east coast of Australia over recent days.

www.theage.com.au

The political point of the naval activity is presumably to create concern in the Australian community. I reckon the relevant Chinese agencies would be a bit disappointed with the understated reaction so far — even the Murdoch media does not seem especially excited.

 

[Lofty_DBF]

I won't say what I'd like to do.

Hopefully the Airforce is using this opportunity to practice a few ship killer missions.

 

[Mark_Evans]

Hopefully the Airforce is using this opportunity to practice a few ship killer missions.

Possibly checking the chaff dispensers at the same time???

 

[iambuzzard]

It's becoming apparent that there is no longer a place for patrol boats and OPVs. Minor combatants will actually need to be combatants.

I am not talking about blinged up Cape class with Trident D5 Gaffa taped on the stern, but actual platforms designed with a level of survivability.

Things like subdivision, shock clearances and durability designed in. Active damage control systems, greater redundancy. Things that literally double or triple the cost of the platform before you add the combat systems.

Volks,
Like I mentioned before, if we get the Evolved Mogami it's worth talking to the Japanese about something along those lines.
They seem to have low manning sorted out so maybe a stripped down Mogami with 16VLS, a main gun and possibly ASM. Helo being optional but with drone capabilities.
If I was in ship design (which I'm not and have absolutely no idea) I would suggest 80 to 90 metres in length with a displacement of about 2500 tonnes fully loaded.
For the purpose of discussion is this achievable?
I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on this.
By the way, you lot have taught me a lot about all things Naval, and I can't swim!!! Lol
Cheers,
Buzzard

 

[iambuzzard]

Lots of TDS I see here

Let's keep politics out of it and stay on subject.

 

[iambuzzard]

Hopefully the Airforce is using this opportunity to practice a few ship killer missions.

We just don't want untrained Chinese cowboy flinching and pushing the wrong button. They want to see how far they can go. We don't want it going pear shaped.

 

[Stampede]

Australia needs to start thinking about a future without US support. The US are clearly trying to disengage from Europe. Next step could be to move away from Asia and by extension Australia. Without the US this region become a whole lot less stable which is a nightmare stituation for our defence planners.

Have to wonder if Trump might not be eyeing off Australia after he has finished with Panama, Greenland, Canada and the Gaza Strip and I am only half kidding when I say this.

Alliances have a place, but a nation needs to be mindful of its sovereign capabilities both military and economic.
The US going isolationist is their call should they move in that direction.
We need to make the call sooner rather than later as to how we deal with that possibility.

Trump may only be around for four years but his legacy will last much longer.

Naval ship building is interesting times.

Cheers S

We just don't want untrained Chinese cowboy flinching and pushing the wrong button. They want to see how far they can go. We don't want it going pear shaped.

That’s true

But I wonder if we had a submarine option on the east coast if that would be utilised for surveillance of the PLAN tourists

Cheers S

 

[GregorZ]

Let's keep politics out of it and stay on subject.

Yes! Here’s hoping they can, although each one makes me giggle

 

[At lakes]

Volks,
Like I mentioned before, if we get the Evolved Mogami it's worth talking to the Japanese about something along those lines.
They seem to have low manning sorted out so maybe a stripped down Mogami with 16VLS, a main gun and possibly ASM. Helo being optional but with drone capabilities.
If I was in ship design (which I'm not and have absolutely no idea) I would suggest 80 to 90 metres in length with a displacement of about 2500 tonnes fully loaded.
For the purpose of discussion is this achievable?
I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on this.
By the way, you lot have taught me a lot about all things Naval, and I can't swim!!! Lol
Cheers,
Buzzard

PACIFIC 2019: MHI Unveils OPV & DDG Designs Based on Future JMSDF Frigate - Naval News

At PACIFIC 2019, the international maritime exposition which opened its doors in Sydney, Australia, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries of Japan unveiled two news ship designs based on their FMF frigate: Two OPV and a DDG designs.

www.navalnews.com

I remember reading this article frm Mitsubishi heavy industries many moons ago and it may answer part of your question for a vessel about 80 to 90 metres in length etc

 

[devo99]

Yes! Here’s hoping they can, although each one makes me giggle

You too mate.

 

[Reptilia]

PACIFIC 2019: MHI Unveils OPV & DDG Designs Based on Future JMSDF Frigate - Naval News

At PACIFIC 2019, the international maritime exposition which opened its doors in Sydney, Australia, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries of Japan unveiled two news ship designs based on their FMF frigate: Two OPV and a DDG designs.

www.navalnews.com

I remember reading this article frm Mitsubishi heavy industries many moons ago and it may answer part of your question for a vessel about 80 to 90 metres in length etc

Mitsubishi lost the opv build to JMU.
I’m looking forward to seeing more details about Swedens upcoming Lulea class. (around 100m small combatant)

 

[iambuzzard]

Alliances have a place, but a nation needs to be mindful of its sovereign capabilities both military and economic.
The US going isolationist is their call should they move in that direction.
We need to make the call sooner rather than later as to how we deal with that possibility.

Trump may only be around for four years but his legacy will last much longer.

Naval ship building is interesting times.

Cheers S

That’s true

But I wonder if we had a submarine option on the east coast if that would be utilised for surveillance of the PLAN tourists

Cheers S

That's why they chose the East Coast, not the West.

 

[swerve]

I won't say what I'd like to do.

Watch & don't do anything stupid. If RAN ships can sail the South China Sea . . .