According to ADM Anzac will not be shelved, but will be the first into the program.
HMAS Anzac is set to commence TransCap in October this year followed by HMAS Warramunga sometime afterwards.
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HMAS Anzac is set to commence TransCap in October this year followed by HMAS Warramunga sometime afterwards.
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Most will be aware of rumours that the navy will lose one of its frigates. With one of the remaining frigates going through TRANSCAP, upgrades to be preformed on the Hobarts, delays with the Hunters and an aging submarine fleet things are looking pretty grim for the navy.
Unless the navy review can pull a rabbit out of the hat I don’t see how things will improve.
To put this in context HMAS Perth, as I understand it, was laid up between 2017 and 2021. There were apparently two ANZACs unable to deploy for a number of years during the noughties, and HMAS Rankin was laid up prior to FCD in 2009/10 while FCD work continued on Dechaineux and Sheean.
Crewing has been a long term issue for navy going back decades.
It's a catch 22, not enough crew means ships can't go to sea, not enough ships means sufficient crew can't be trained and certified.
Crewing has been a long term issue for navy going back decades.
It's a catch 22, not enough crew means ships can't go to sea, not enough ships means sufficient crew can't be trained and certified.
Anzac was scheduled to start TransCap October this year, 2023, she is now laid up out of the water & is not going through Transcap in 2024. Which ship will be first is again up in the air, was going to be Warra in 2024, but this may now be changing. I can't really add more to this at this time.
Noting October 2023 has passed, I think that is on the money
Pretend you are looking on the Army thread.
www.defenceconnect.com.au
2 more evolved Capes
Birdon designed medium craft selected, 18 Built by Austal. Heavy craft build also going to Austal if goes well.
Federal government unveils strategic partnership for new Army landing craft
The Australian Federal Government has confirmed 18 Landing Craft Medium and Heavy Littoral Manoeuvre Vessels will be built in Western Australia under a strategic shipbuilder pilot. NSW shipbuilder Bir
2 more evolved Capes
Birdon designed medium craft selected, 18 Built by Austal. Heavy craft build also going to Austal if goes well.
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Anthony_B_78
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FWIW, media release issued by the Opposition about an hour ago:
THE HON LUKE HOWARTH MP
Shadow Minister for Defence Industry
Shadow Minister for Defence Personnel
Federal Member for Petrie
MEDIA RELEASE
23 November 2023
Defence personnel plan quickly becoming ‘Ship out of water’
Reports that an Australian warship has been lifted out of the water onto hard stands, as a
result of crew shortages, has highlighted the very real Defence Force personnel crisis
unfolding on the Albanese Government’s watch.
Coalition questioning at recent Senate Estimates hearings revealed that under Labor,
Australian Defence workforce targets for the past financial year fell significantly short, with
figures showing personnel numbers 3,400 under target.
As Australia continues to navigate some of the most strategically challenging geo-political
circumstances in generations, these personnel shortages are now directly impacting our
Defence Force’s operational capability.
The Albanese Government has failed to address their basic responsibility of building our
Defence personnel capabilities, leading to our Navy now reducing capability as a result.
Shadow Minister for Defence Personnel, the Hon Luke Howarth MP has demanded the
Albanese Government take immediate responsibility for this emerging crisis.
“It is clear that the Minister for Defence has no plan to address the personnel crisis which is
now directly impacting the defence capability of our nation. Warships are being pulled out of
the water because we don’t have enough personnel to crew them.
It is clear that his defence plan is quickly becoming nothing more than a “ship out of water.’
The Minister must take immediate responsibility to rectify the ADF personnel crisis before
more defence capabilities are threatened.
“It is a basic mandate of the Government to keep Australians safe and Richard Marles is the
Minister of Defence.”
“Its time for him to do his job.”
@Anthony_B_78
Source please.
Ngatimozart.
THE HON LUKE HOWARTH MP
Shadow Minister for Defence Industry
Shadow Minister for Defence Personnel
Federal Member for Petrie
MEDIA RELEASE
23 November 2023
Defence personnel plan quickly becoming ‘Ship out of water’
Reports that an Australian warship has been lifted out of the water onto hard stands, as a
result of crew shortages, has highlighted the very real Defence Force personnel crisis
unfolding on the Albanese Government’s watch.
Coalition questioning at recent Senate Estimates hearings revealed that under Labor,
Australian Defence workforce targets for the past financial year fell significantly short, with
figures showing personnel numbers 3,400 under target.
As Australia continues to navigate some of the most strategically challenging geo-political
circumstances in generations, these personnel shortages are now directly impacting our
Defence Force’s operational capability.
The Albanese Government has failed to address their basic responsibility of building our
Defence personnel capabilities, leading to our Navy now reducing capability as a result.
Shadow Minister for Defence Personnel, the Hon Luke Howarth MP has demanded the
Albanese Government take immediate responsibility for this emerging crisis.
“It is clear that the Minister for Defence has no plan to address the personnel crisis which is
now directly impacting the defence capability of our nation. Warships are being pulled out of
the water because we don’t have enough personnel to crew them.
It is clear that his defence plan is quickly becoming nothing more than a “ship out of water.’
The Minister must take immediate responsibility to rectify the ADF personnel crisis before
more defence capabilities are threatened.
“It is a basic mandate of the Government to keep Australians safe and Richard Marles is the
Minister of Defence.”
“Its time for him to do his job.”
@Anthony_B_78
Source please.
Ngatimozart.
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This is absolutely astonishing and appalling. Reynolds should hang her head in shame.
Todjaeger
Potstirrer
I just wanted to double check, given some of the recent news as well as the DSR outcome.
The planned for national continuous naval shipbuilding programme was a plan to maintain a continuous naval shipbuilding capability, correct?
It was not a plan to be continuously rebuilding the capability to build naval shipping?
I ask because at times it really seems like the powers that be seem much more interested in rebuilding that type of capability, preferably in their respective electorates or districts.
The planned for national continuous naval shipbuilding programme was a plan to maintain a continuous naval shipbuilding capability, correct?
It was not a plan to be continuously rebuilding the capability to build naval shipping?
I ask because at times it really seems like the powers that be seem much more interested in rebuilding that type of capability, preferably in their respective electorates or districts.
Very typical partisan politics blabber. The problems are quite well known to government and have been ignored by governments from both sides for decades at this point. They are not the type of thing which can be solved with a quick fix. It will require long term bi-partisan support and that would start with actually suggesting solutions for the problem rather than pointing out what is already known.
Definitely feels like it.
Often politicians feel like their only allegiances is to their immediate electorate. They will compromise national security to appease their voters.
Which is where the crisis is leading too. Some smaller ships, that will allow some at sea time, to fill in some capability gaps while upgrades are going on.
But we need thousands of extra crew and pipelines to deliver more going forward. Not sure traditional pipelines are going to deliver what we need in terms of crewing. Not just for Navy, but for the ADF as a whole.
Scott Elaurant
Well-Known Member
Volkodav
That would explain a lot in terms of the very slow rollout of AUKUS funding and focus on SSN maintenance in Perth. Do you have a source for when/where he said that? I can't find it.
Read it at work, I think it's the paywalled man on a mission story from the Australian.
other notes from the articles that have come out today…
-Civmec potentially pivoting away from shipbuilding and focusing on more oil and gas projects.
-Reduction of austal workers prior to todays announcement, now potentially tripling workforce.
-Corvette build could be on the cards for Austal in the future.
-What to do with Chinese owned Silveryachts…
-Southern end of Henderson to be expanded for aukus subs. I’m guessing that’s bae and asc for maintenance?
-Civmec potentially pivoting away from shipbuilding and focusing on more oil and gas projects.
-Reduction of austal workers prior to todays announcement, now potentially tripling workforce.
-Corvette build could be on the cards for Austal in the future.
-What to do with Chinese owned Silveryachts…
-Southern end of Henderson to be expanded for aukus subs. I’m guessing that’s bae and asc for maintenance?
Scott Elaurant
Well-Known Member
I note Hunter Ingalls Industries now has an office in WA and has recently signed an MOU with the WA government regarding AUKUS work. I would have thought they would be well placed to bid the WA SSN maintenacne work in the first instance. The first SSNs based in Perth will be a squadron of USN Virginias, with maybe one RN Astute at a later date. I would assume the USN would want to be assured all SSN maintenance in Perth was done to their standards.
WA government signs MoU with Huntington Ingalls Industries Australia - APDR
A major boost to Western Australia’s maritime defence industry has been achieved with the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding between the State Government and the world’s largest manufacturer of nuclear-powered submarines.
asiapacificdefencereporter.com
The following article (behind paywall) says that as well as HMAS ANZAC not undergoing the TransCap upgrade, the 2nd (HMAS Arunta) and 5th (HMAS Parramatta) ships may also not be upgraded-
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also potential here for the Aus light frigate build with designer gibbs & Cox, supposably the Aus light frigate and Taiwanese aaw light frigate is based off the legend class cutter.I note Hunter Ingalls Industries now has an office in WA and has recently signed an MOU with the WA government regarding AUKUS work. I would have thought they would be well placed to bid the WA SSN maintenacne work in the first instance. The first SSNs based in Perth will be a squadron of USN Virginias, with maybe one RN Astute at a later date. I would assume the USN would want to be assured all SSN maintenance in Perth was done to their standards.
WA government signs MoU with Huntington Ingalls Industries Australia - APDR
A major boost to Western Australia’s maritime defence industry has been achieved with the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding between the State Government and the world’s largest manufacturer of nuclear-powered submarines.
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Getting some flashbacks to FFG-Up. I can only hope it doesn't end up with a similar arrangement.
Only 3 ships funded for the upgrades. It appears 3 may not be suitable for the upgrades or even life extension. Two unknowns.
The problem is this is a here and now problem. They need to crash build something. Like it would need to be a record setting build. To address a very real crisis.
I'm not sure being indecisive with reviews has helped. Ultimately a navy needs ships. Picking one is more important than choosing one.
Smal l low crew ships will be very attractive to navy right now due to the crew crisis..
The problem is this is a here and now problem. They need to crash build something. Like it would need to be a record setting build. To address a very real crisis.
I'm not sure being indecisive with reviews has helped. Ultimately a navy needs ships. Picking one is more important than choosing one.
Smal l low crew ships will be very attractive to navy right now due to the crew crisis..