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OldTex

Well-Known Member
Ok, are Euan Graham and Linus Cohen smoking something? Breaking Defence and ASPI article recommending Australia pursue the B2.....
Now, I could understand looking at B21 but the B2?


Even if the US would sell B-2 Spirits ( of which there are only 19) it would become a sustainment nightmare just as it was in the last years of the F-111C/G in RAAF service.
 

Volkodav

The Bunker Group
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Smoking crack is not great for cognitive ability, I understand…

Anyone still curious as to why ASPI’s funding is getting reduced and it’s wings clipped?
Perhaps they are looking to apply for roles in Trump's Cabinet?

Substance abuse appears to be a prerequisite.

Personally I believe we should get BAE ( assuming they own the old Handley Page IP) to dust off the Victor B3 design concepts and do a super cruising LO version for us. It could serve alongside our super cruising LO Avro Canada Arrows and BAC TSR 2s.

As an interim we should dig up and recommision our F-111 fleet.
 

Stampede

Well-Known Member
Smoking crack is not great for cognitive ability, I understand…

Anyone still curious as to why ASPI’s funding is getting reduced and it’s wings clipped?
Noticed a big drop in the number of articles in The Strategist this last month.

No idea re their funding but a broad church of varied well articulated opinion is always welcome.

Intrigued as to how they go.

Cheers S
 

downunderblue

Active Member
But their first job should be to protect their reputation, by rejecting stuff like this. This is embarrassing.
I for one don't want an analyst worrying about their reputation, as they then lose their independence and courage to form an option outside of group think. They need to trust in their craft, but to be exposed to peer review and reflectively hone their craft over time. To continue to inductively reason and identify credible hypotheses where everyone else wants to follow the deductive route. Intelligence failures happen when group think is formed and no one is looking outside of the box.

With that said, I think the most important word here is 'credible'. A RAAF B-2 option is just not credible on so many levels (multiple failed inferences). A proper analyst MUST test their argument and have it peer checked- red hat. The hyposisis is supported by a pyramid of inferences and premises, like a stacked house of cards, but when one or more of those stacks/supports is logically flawed, the supporting argument behind the overall hypothesis fails like a house of cards and your credibility and influence goes with it.

When lost (as it is now), it's quite often with the decision makers themselves and you'll end up like an ignored 'mushroom'. When that happens you might as well pack your bags, leave and try academia instead. Operational and strategic level intell is a tough unforgiving world, but when done properly, it informs considered decision making and generally effects and improves real world outcome. It's important that we get it right.

The thing is, Euan and many within ASPI know this. It's not new and should be 101 of their craft.

ASPI itself has changed a lot since the being listed on the PRC Ambassador's grievance letter. They went through a government review. Peter Jennings left and Justin Bassi took over. Justin Brassi's CV is mixed. Maybe he is too ambitious or political and failing in the job he's tasked with? As with all organisations, the buck stops with him and since he's taken over there has been a lot of change and standards look to have dropped. It's a bad time for the organisation to lose influence considering how important their public role is. At least there is still ONA but we cant read that.

I wonder what the PRC Ambassador thinks now?
 

swerve

Super Moderator
Perhaps they are looking to apply for roles in Trump's Cabinet?

Substance abuse appears to be a prerequisite.

Personally I believe we should get BAE ( assuming they own the old Handley Page IP) to dust off the Victor B3 design concepts and do a super cruising LO version for us. It could serve alongside our super cruising LO Avro Canada Arrows and BAC TSR 2s.

As an interim we should dig up and recommision our F-111 fleet.
Stoppit! Now you've got me dreaming of seeing a Victor flying again.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
It's reported to have hit M1.1 in a very shallow dive. Official max Mach number was 0.95, but that was reckoned to be regularly exceeded. Pilots on test flights are said to have "forgotten" to tell ATC of their route home at times, & flown at maximum speed & altitude. Not easy to intercept back then.

The recce conversions had more powerful engines according to what I've read.

I just love the look of it.

Interesting write-up here - Thunder & Lightnings - Handley Page Victor - History
 

OldTex

Well-Known Member
Having seen a K.2 up close at Yorkshire Air Museum it does hols a special place in my heart, along with the Blackburn S2 Buccaneer. They just don't make planes like those anymore.
 

Volkodav

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Decision made, let's do a do a new Victor under AUKUS!

Bomber, tanker, MPA and special purpose platform, crewed and unscrewed.

Problem solved.
 

Volkodav

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Ok, back to reality???
Wishful thinking. A squadron of GCAP to act as F111 replacement?
Maybe? Or maybe not replace them at all.

The long range bomber wasn't even a thing for the RAAF ORBAT until late WWII when the Liberators were delivered (Australian contribution to Bomber Command was a different matter). Liberator replaced by Lincoln, by Canberra, by F-111 all in 30 years, then from the late 70s trying to replace the F-111 with a strike fighter.

The F-4C/D was seen as a contender to replace the Canberra, and the F-4E served as an interim capability. Where would we be now if we had bitten the bullet in the 60s and gone with the Phantom, supported by tankers? It would have changed the entire ethos and strategy of the RAAF.

GCAP? Maybe, just maybe. But then again maybe F-35 and Ghostbat, even F-35B and several small multirole light carriers able operate UAVs UCAVs and the Bs.
 

downunderblue

Active Member
I found a bit oif a fluff pience on YT titled 'Australia’s F-111 Successors: Why No True Equivalent Has Emerged'. Some may enjoy it purely for the assembly of some cool F-111 pics.

The poster is an entity called 'Nguoi Giai Ma' which likely refers to the Vietnamese 'người giải mã' translated cutely as 'decoder'. They clearly use AI as a narrator which is increasingly common.

Of interest was an observed post/comment on the YT feed:
@svetovidarkonsky1670 5 days ago
Former Indonesian defence minister Benny Murdani told his counterpart Kim Beazley that when others became upset with Australia during cabinet meetings, Murdani told them, "Do you realise the Australians have a bomber that can put a bomb through that window onto the table here in front of us?"
Oh the glory days, hey ...

 

Volkodav

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
I found a bit oif a fluff pience on YT titled 'Australia’s F-111 Successors: Why No True Equivalent Has Emerged'. Some may enjoy it purely for the assembly of some cool F-111 pics.

The poster is an entity called 'Nguoi Giai Ma' which likely refers to the Vietnamese 'người giải mã' translated cutely as 'decoder'. They clearly use AI as a narrator which is increasingly common.

Of interest was an observed post/comment on the YT feed:
Oh the glory days, hey ...

The thing is, so can an F-35 and an F/A-18F, the difference being, they would actually be able to reach the target, while these days an F-111 wouldn't.

The DH9A, the Mosquito, the Canberra, were equivalents of their time. Fast, fighter like performance, long range, decent ordnance load, didn't need to be escorted.

There is no modern equivalent, because the performance of multirole fighters has overtaken that of the speciality strike bomber.
 
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