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Severely

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Classic hornets

Hi everyone,

I was just browsing some photos from Exercise Red Flag 14-1. I noticed our classic hornets apart from carrying Litening pods on their centreline are also carrying Elta EL/T-8222 jamming pods on the starboard shoulder station where the AMRAAMs are normally carried. It looks like there is an adapter used to load the jammer. I have seen them on the classic hornet centreline before but this appears new to me. Does anyone have any information on who, when and how they were fitted.

Cheers.
 
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Sea Toby

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jack412 said:
So who gets blackballed for leaking the corporate back-scratching agreement ? You have to love a corporate driven democracy.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott seeks media deal over VIP jets | News.com.au
Prime Minister Tony Abbott seeks media deal over VIP jets
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Smart move, to avoid partisan politics on a non partisan issue really. If I was the PM I would prefer a small luxury Lear Jet without any media aboard. And as a citizen I would prefer the PM wasn't uninformed either, being out of touch. Make the media sign on the dotted line first not to be critical, making an issue out of nothing.
 
weegee

weegee

Active Member
Red flag

I see that we have sent over a nice contingent of aircraft and ground crew to this years red flag some Hornets and I believe 1 x Wedgetail.
How does the Wedgetail stack up against foreign AEW&C's like the US's E-3? I know that they are pretty much the newest bit of kit on the market but does that translate to more if any capability advances? Thanks
 
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rand0m

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Interesting comment in this article, does anyone know if there's any truth to it?

I read this in two ways;

A; We're committing to buying 50.
B; We're only buying 50.

The suggestion that a laughably small force of conventional submarines operating in the China Sea could alter this dynamic is ridiculous. And who cares if we did possess 72 shiny, invisible, Joint Strike Fighters, instead of the 50-odd we'll shortly announce we're buying? They'll be grounded anyway, because there'll be no aviation turbine fuel to get them in the sky. Oh, and there'll be none for our tanks, either. This is all without resorting to the use of nuclear weapons that might trigger a US response.
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New enemies, new challenges for next defence white paper
 
Todjaeger

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
rand0m said:
Interesting comment in this article, does anyone know if there's any truth to it?

I read this in two ways;

A; We're committing to buying 50.
B; We're only buying 50.

New enemies, new challenges for next defence white paper
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I made a point of reading the entire opinion piece and afterwhich, I am not entirely sure of the writer's intent.

There was definitely a significant amount of fear-mongering going on. There was also a fair amount of misinformation or perhaps misunderstood information.

The takeaways I had from the article is that either the author is trying to drive up sales and/or his list of readers, or convince the muppets that any and all plans to upgrade or replace current capabilities will automatically fail and that such monies are better spent elsewhere.

The thing to remember is that opinions are like *ssholes, everyone has one...
 
t68

t68

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gf0012-aust said:
There's a reason why some regard Nicholas Stuart with some contempt.....

he even makes Minnick look like a genius
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He does have a point about self reliance, soon all of our refinererys will be import only terminals and if there is any disruption to the flow well you don't have to be Einstein to figure out what's will happen, I work in the industry and you would be surprised how often fuel rationing goes on not just from late deliverys either.
 
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Volkodav

The Bunker Group
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t68 said:
He does have a point about self reliance, soon all of our refinererys will be import only terminals and if there is any disruption to the flow well you don't have to be Einstein to figure out what's will happen, I work in the industry and you would be surprised how often fuel rationing goes on not just from late deliverys either.
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There is a far bigger strategic threat than China, our own stupidity!

The mining construction boom is winding down in the next couple of years and will be dumping a large number of very qualified and experience engineering, trades, procurement, project management and other highly skilled workers on the job market, just as the automotive manufacturers and suppliers do the same. Australia will effectively have returned to a boom and bust cycle that we sacrificed so much to get out of in the 80s and early 90s. A screwed economy, without sustainable manufacturing is the biggest impediment to national security we can have.

In an ideal world a smart government would have levelled the internal playing field to keep industries damaged by the high dollar and run away wages ticking along until the conditions making them uncompetitive changed.

In years to come there will be a market for high quality high tech products produced by a high tech high productivity economy. Australia will not be one of those economies because three successive governments decided to take the easy way out and collect tax from a finite boom and not reinvest it in future prosperity.

With the mining construction boom Australia behaved like a bogan lotto winner, we quit our day job and blew the cash on booze, drugs, V8 utes and jet skis, alienating our formerly friendly neighbours. Now the moneys run out and we are screwed.:tomato
 
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gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
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the depressing thing is that the UAS companion system which was identified 8 years ago as "best fit" and subsequently shelved will now end up back in the mix

8 wasted years
 
t68

t68

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8 aircraft seems too little, if the options are taken up would 12 still be enough even if we get the mixed fleet?
 
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knightrider4

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gf0012-aust said:
the depressing thing is that the UAS companion system which was identified 8 years ago as "best fit" and subsequently shelved will now end up back in the mix

8 wasted years
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I guess the technology wasn't mature enough at the time. Global Hawk was up and about but Triton was presumably in its infancy.
 
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gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
t68 said:
8 aircraft seems too little, if the options are taken up would 12 still be enough even if we get the mixed fleet?
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they're exponentially more capable - and the contemp C4ISR systems that they can [;ay with provide another advantage over the AP3's

Its not just about the platform, but also about what they can hook up to
 
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