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OldTex

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Why not have some of these as escorts for critical Aircraft like Wedgetail considering that these aircraft would be targeted specifically
So long as the MQ-28 has the range, speed and endurance of the escorted aircraft it would make sense. If it doesn't then you rapidly get into a situation where either the primary asset (E-7 or P-8) has its operational area restricted to cater for MQ-28 operation or you have a large number of MQ-28 required IOT ensure adequate protective coverage ( range vs time-on-target)
 

MARKMILES77

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hauritz

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In other Ghostbat news the MQ-28 is participating in Valiant Shield 26 and is operating alongside the F-15EX.

 

OldTex

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Maybe the RAAF need to get some more F/A-18Fs to marry up with the MQ-28s in a hybrid squadron. Primarily to develop and evolve the CONOPS and TTPs, but also build a pool of experienced aircrew, maintainers and planners.
 

hauritz

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Maybe the RAAF need to get some more F/A-18Fs to marry up with the MQ-28s in a hybrid squadron. Primarily to develop and evolve the CONOPS and TTPs, but also build a pool of experienced aircrew, maintainers and planners.
We have seen the my-28 fly with the F/A18F, E-7, P-8A and now the F-15EX. Yet to hear of it operating alongside a single seat aircraft such as the F-35. I am not sure if that is a workload issue or that they aren’t yet willing to allow it to operate with that degree of autonomy.

Does mean the RAAF will need to keep flying the F/A-18F well into the future and may eventually have to replace it with another 2 seater.
 

MARKMILES77

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Maybe the RAAF need to get some more F/A-18Fs to marry up with the MQ-28s in a hybrid squadron. Primarily to develop and evolve the CONOPS and TTPs, but also build a pool of experienced aircrew, maintainers and planners.
I have thought exactly the same. Quite likely Loyal Wingmen will not be operating with single seat aircraft for a long time.
 

Stampede

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We have seen the my-28 fly with the F/A18F, E-7, P-8A and now the F-15EX. Yet to hear of it operating alongside a single seat aircraft such as the F-35. I am not sure if that is a workload issue or that they aren’t yet willing to allow it to operate with that degree of autonomy.

Does mean the RAAF will need to keep flying the F/A-18F well into the future and may eventually have to replace it with another 2 seater.
Good question
I like the concept of the MQ-28 and acknowledge that it is early days with regards to bringing a concept to reality.
Pilot workload is certainly a consideration at the best of times, even without with a teaming asset like the Ghostbat.

So agree integration with the single seat F35 will interesting.

If problematic, it will certainly have an impact on the viability of teaming assets going forward.

Hopefully there’s a path forward

Cheers S
 

Bob53

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Good question
I like the concept of the MQ-28 and acknowledge that it is early days with regards to bringing a concept to reality.
Pilot workload is certainly a consideration at the best of times, even without with a teaming asset like the Ghostbat.

So agree integration with the single seat F35 will interesting.

If problematic, it will certainly have an impact on the viability of teaming assets going forward.

Hopefully there’s a path forward

Cheers S
I doubt the pilot is ever alone these days. There may be one seat but a whole supporting cast in the Wedgetail and on the ground. It may be teamed and in support of the F35 but I suspect most of the support role thinking, calculations and option development will be done by AI and off board crew.
 

Stampede

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I doubt the pilot is ever alone these days. There may be one seat but a whole supporting cast in the Wedgetail and on the ground. It may be teamed and in support of the F35 but I suspect most of the support role thinking, calculations and option development will be done by AI and off board crew.
Agree the pilot is not “Biggles” going solo!
That said a pilot with a teaming vehicle or two does have more complexity than the past.
I agree everything is a team effort and you are one of the cogs on the wheel.

The unmanned AI thing is an interesting and somewhat scary realm.

Not sure if the zombie apocalypse is around the corner or not but anyway let’s see how ghost bat evolves.

I’m confident it has a future providing they keep the cost down


Cheers
 

Volkodav

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So long as the MQ-28 has the range, speed and endurance of the escorted aircraft it would make sense. If it doesn't then you rapidly get into a situation where either the primary asset (E-7 or P-8) has its operational area restricted to cater for MQ-28 operation or you have a large number of MQ-28 required IOT ensure adequate protective coverage ( range vs time-on-target)
What would be interssting is rigging all with IFR. The P8, the E-7 and the Ghostbat. Then fit the P-8 and E-7 with IFR drogue pods. They tank their own escorts and top up from KC30s themselves.
 

OldTex

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What would be interssting is rigging all with IFR. The P8, the E-7 and the Ghostbat. Then fit the P-8 and E-7 with IFR drogue pods. They tank their own escorts and top up from KC30s themselves.
That might be something for Block 4+ of the MQ-28. Getting the IFR pods added to the P-8 and E-7 might be a costly niche capability. The USN might stump up development and certification money if they can be convinced that it is a great idea of theirs. The E-7 might have to be funded by ADF as the USAF mainly uses booms (although the MC-130s support IFR for CSAR helicopters using hose & drogue).
 
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