Not another Fantasy thread? No no no!Maybe you guys should start a betting pool on what gets picked in 18 months ? Start a thread for it, put your money down and we'll see who wins.
No 9s for you.Maybe you guys should start a betting pool on what gets picked in 18 months ? Start a thread for it, put your money down and we'll see who wins.
Fine I'll go scrub the aft shitters then. Just trying to reduce the fantasy fetishism going onNo 9s for you.
And a lot of us really appreciate that. It really is spit balling at the moment. Lots of things do not add up to a Virginia being picked not least of which is ..... just what role does the UK have? A lot of what is coming out of the ministers office is ..... we are looking at lots of things (including leasing) but this does not mean that we are going to lease.Fine I'll go scrub the aft shitters then. Just trying to reduce the fantasy fetishism going on
I’d imagine regardless of UK or US design, that the fuelled reactor would arrive fully fitted into a complete hull section, that would appear to be the sensible way to go.if we go with the uk…
is it a possibility that they may build and complete the entire hull section surrounding the reactor With all the trimmings and Osborne build the other 10 or so sections?
The submarine buy is budgeted for however. Its some money that was going to be spent on a diesel boat that is now going to be allocated to a nuclear program.Well, the could offer us a couple of QE class ships. I know very unlikely but so was Nuke subs for Aust.
Yes, Dreadnaught, you beat me on the rely.That image is actually a BAE rendering of the future RN Dreadnought Class SSBN, don't think we are getting SSBN's, As usual they put up a lot of different artwork and renderings when new kit is announced, not unusual. Not that far back to think of and remember many different conceptual drawings that were put up for the Attack class. Could be merit in it being a BAE drawing though ? never know
Dreadnought-Class Nuclear-Powered Ballistic Missile Submarines
The Dreadnought-class ballistic missile submarines will help maintain the UK’s Continuous at Sea Deterrence (CASD) capability.www.naval-technology.com
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Yes there is a lot we don't know in the public forum re the submarine decision.And a lot of us really appreciate that. It really is spit balling at the moment. Lots of things do not add up to a Virginia being picked not least of which is ..... just what role does the UK have? A lot of what is coming out of the ministers office is ..... we are looking at lots of things (including leasing) but this does not mean that we are going to lease.
A few things we do know:
The other issue that government will be mindful of (well ..... I really hope they are) is the reaction of states such as Indonesia and Malaysia and others.. This has not been unalloyed support. The Virginia is a significant beast and it is a capability that most could not defend themselves against. While there is concern over China .... having Australia behind you with a weapon you cannot match will change planning and contingency.
- The sonar suite and combat suite for the Collins LOTE is pretty close to what was planned for French option and is 'apparently' for the SSN. So, yes, we can assume Mk48, SSMs from the US ... and all the other weapons that were to be deployed by the French option. This is because the Collins are equipped with the AN/BYG-1 and the integration of the new sonar suite will be part of the LOTE. So de-risking of that element will be addressed by Collins LOTE.
- The boats will be built in Adelaide .... that has been a consistent message. This does not mean that modules will not come in form other countries .... in fact I think they will. Lets face it Collins had the bow module supplied by the designer (not that it was entirely brilliant).
So our selection needs to be mindful of what we are doing. We can match China with an Astute or its replacement and this could be sold as a defence against their Virginia like capability. It is just my view but going for the Virginia could be destabilising.
I think we all need to calm down a bit and wait for something of more substance. Defence material has so far shown images of the Astute, the Dreadnought and the Virginia.... as well as a bunch of pictures of the Collins. The fact that the RAN is headed down this path is unprecedented and has significant implications. This will not be a simple process.
It’s what they effectively do right now with themselves. The reactor assembly is virtually a separate business, I think the MOD still have a shareholdingif we go with the uk…
is it a possibility that they may build and complete the entire hull section surrounding the reactor With all the trimmings and Osborne build the other 10 or so sections?
Nothing yet, because outside of the PR announcement there's not detail to the plan thus nothing to really protest against. Wait until boats are in the water, personnel are trained and local residents start to realise that there will be a few mini reactors berthed in their harbour. Then we'll see what sort of push back there might be. Everyone at the moment is too busy speculating to seriously start thinking of what the reality will be.Question for the Aussies here. Internal politics wise the Greens (outsider looking in) have a significant minority of the vote in Australia. I expect they will be making a big stink about this switch into nuclear. Also are there expected protests and other such anti-nuke sort of demonstrations? You would think going nuclear is going to create some significant blowback for the ruling party.
Thats why the govt is being very careful to refer to nuclear POWERED submarines and to make clear that we are not talking about nuclear ARMED submarinesQuestion for the Aussies here. Internal politics wise the Greens (outsider looking in) have a significant minority of the vote in Australia. I expect they will be making a big stink about this switch into nuclear. Also are there expected protests and other such anti-nuke sort of demonstrations? You would think going nuclear is going to create some significant blowback for the ruling party.
Yes it’s clear the LNP Government is never likely to win votes/seats from the Greens, but equally the LNP will never likely loose votes/seat to the Greens either, no win, no loss.Thats why the govt is being very careful to refer to nuclear POWERED submarines and to make clear that we are not talking about nuclear ARMED submarines
Defence matters are largely bipartisan between the 2 major parties. The Greens may make some noise and I daresay that the PM will not win any seats on the NSW North Coast, but they have no real ability to change anything. The Greens talk and complain in the full and comforting knowledge that they will never have to run the country or make a life and death decision
I see the confusion. I wasn't clear by "weight down low". I should have been more technical. Mea Culpa.Say what? I thought that weight down low was part of the counter to weight up high.
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(Clearly I'm the wrong sort of engineer)
I can only go from the article I posted. A margin of 270 tonnes is very tight. The addition of 8 more VLS with missiles inside them could gobble up all that margin.I very much doubt that assumption.
If Hunter, with a light ship weight of 8,200 tonnes and a full load displacement of or exceeding 10,000 tonnes (per senate estimates) doesn’t have any margin for more than 32 cells something is seriously wrong with the design.