Rafale?

contedicavour

New Member
Twix101 said:
Nope, there is not firing trial which has been completed for these weapons, the EF-200 can only operate these weapons for the moment:

AIM-9L
IRIS-T
AIM-120B
1000L tank

Check the Eurofighter News please, the Eurofighter is NOT certified to firing A2G equipment.

So the Rafale can use:

R.550
MICA IR
MICA EM
SCALP EG
APACHE
AASM
1300 L tank
2000 L tank
Refueling tank

:D
I just saw picture of Spanish Eurofighter launching Paveway 2. Storm Shadows will be "certified" as you say early 2007 with the first Batch 2 and retrofitted to Batch 1.
So don't worry, Rafales entered service in the Armée de l'Air last month, and less than a year later Typhoons will have the same armament.
Now, for a year of less, was it worth it to go at it alone ??

cheers
 

contedicavour

New Member
Twix101 said:
Because it got a longer range.;)

6000L External fuel for Rafale agaisnt 4000 L for EF-2000
Ok fine ;)
What about refueling with a tanker :D ? France and all the 4 original Typhoon acquirers have modern tankers such as Boeing 767...

cheers
 

Waylander

Defense Professional
Verified Defense Pro
Yeah right, we are going to forget the POD. :rolleyes:
This is a photo from A2G tests. And befor you test full scale A2G missions you have to implement the weapon itself.

In germany we are planning with GBU-24 and Taurus as the main A2G weapons for our EFs.
 
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Aussie Digger

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Twix101 said:
Well, no designation POD, I wonder how it will lock target for those inert GBU's.

Pray for A2G Ops on Typhoon...:pope

:p: :lol3
It's a heavy stores test, to check the flight parameters etc when Typhoon needs to carry a heavy A2G load. It's not representative of an "operational" load.

Or did you know that already and were being obtuse? :confused:
 

ajay_ijn

New Member
Waylander said:
BTW, we would never buy a Rafale after the French left the EF program. It is a question of pride (Ok we don't have much pride here in germany ;) ) and a question of local jobs.
if we see last ww2 German Plane models, it was like Future Aviation Industry will be Ruled by Germans.
I think B-2 was actually orginated from a Nazi ww2 expt plane.
And those Nazi Mystery Aircraft generate much of Curiousty in kids.
Some people like to believe that if Nazis had the time, they would develop a Plane which can turn the whole tide of war.:germany

But i dunno why Germans aren't that competetive nowadays.
is it that German Industry doesn't have funds or Americans and Soviets Kidnapped Much of german Scientists and engineers :D

Gary says German Subs are Best in the world.
why not the German military Aviation.

Ha
About the Rafale.
I read somewhere that
Rafale was not able to show its capability of Claimed Spectra EW System.
that Stealthy jamming mods, Active Cancellation technique.

Moreover Rafales man machine interface is much different from F-16/15.
Especially Rafale has head Level display with touch screen panels.
Koreans and Singaporeans are used to US Fighters type of interface and thats why Rafale was not selected.

Bottom line is US lobbyists would Rule in Korea or Singapore and thats why both Typhoon and Rafale Lost.

Cost may not be the only Factor.
In one line Rafale is not worth of 65 million dollars.

But India Could be forced to buy Rafale.
As India has no other option,
India cannot buy US Systems due to political factor.
India is fed up of Russia Spare problems.

Rafale is only left option for them.
 

Waylander

Defense Professional
Verified Defense Pro
We cannot be everywhere the Nr.1.
conventional Subs, tanks, tube artillery and handguns are enough. :D ;)

Do you really think anybody could compete with a country which puts more money into its military forces than we have for our whole country? :crazy
 
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Aussie Digger

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Twix101 said:
Yeah I know that, that Why Rafale doesn't have too much MICA loaded for A2G and only carry 6 A2SM.

So if it don't use the 3 tanks it will be problematic for long range bombing.
I doubt that Typhoon would ever carry 6x 2000lbs guided bombs on an operation unless they were operating at VERY short ranges. I'd guess 4x GBU's, plus AAM's, drop tanks and targetting pods would probably be the heaviest operational load it would carry. As you say carrying ridiculously heavy loads is not a recipe for long range.

Australia conducted a test last month where a single F/A-18 carried and dropped 10x live Mk 82 500lbs bombs on a single mission. It's unlikely to ever do that operationally but I guess air forces need to know what they CAN carry if necessary...
 

ajay_ijn

New Member
Twix101 said:
Yeah I know that, that Why Rafale doesn't have too much MICA loaded for A2G and only carry 6 A2SM.

So if it don't use the 3 tanks it will be problematic for long range bombing.
i thought rafale could carry heavy A2G +A2A in 1800km Radius with 2 conformal fuel tanks.
Isn't that enough.:confused:


Can anybody clear my doubt
How to Calculate Radius??
For example if radius is 800km, Then does that mean Fighter can go to max of 800km, perform its operation and return back??

western fighters specify in terms of Radius but Russians give the maximum range with Internal Fuel.
 
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Aussie Digger

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ajay_ijn said:
i thought rafale could carry heavy A2G +A2A in 1800km Radius with 2 conformal fuel tanks.
Isn't that enough.:confused:


Can anybody clear my doubt
How to Calculate Radius??
For example if radius is 800km, Then does that mean Fighter can go to max of 800km, perform its operation and return back??

western fighters specify in terms of Radius but Russians give the maximum range with Internal Fuel.
Yes, radius in terms of aircraft means how far an aircraft can fly and still be able to make it back (without aerial refuelling). I SERIOUSLY doubt Rafale would have an 1800k radius, even F-111's don't have that great a range. Beyond 1000k's is starting to equal "strategic" range in my book and no tactical fighter has that great a range...
 

ajay_ijn

New Member
I read from some sources
the Normally Rafales Range is 1800km with Internal fuel of 5300 Ltrs
But Rafale has good external payload of of 9500Kg.
So carrying two 2000 ltr Drop Tanks, will still allow Rafale to Carry much of its heavy Munitions and Missiles.

With twin conformal fuel tanks holding a total of 600 US gallons of fuel - designed and flight-tested by Dassault during its campaign to win Korea'sfighter contest - the Rafale can perform a 1,000-nm-radius strike mission, carrying both heavy air-to-surface weapons and air-to-air missiles
Source
 

Ding

Member
this will be very off-topic... but I have to say it. I think the Rafale looks way better than the EF. And somehow, somewhere i remember someone saying 'if it looks good, it flies good' Sorry guys, that's just an opinion based only on looks.

You guys may continue:D
 
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